Hi all,

2/5. Playing a short stack with min-BI $300. Still early in the session and haven't developed reads on unknowns. Full ring.

Still feeling out the table, we limp UTG intending on l/rr and an unknown presumably rec player isos UTG2 to $20, MP calls, BTN calls, BB defends. Hero?

What hands are you l/rr here? Flatting? Sizing?

Does this strat change if V is a good pro? Why?

I do this kind of thing all the time and have my own ideas about a profitable strat against different Vs, just wanted others' opinions too.

Thanks,
DT

Feels like way too many variables here, in particular your stack size. You say the min BI is $300, but what is your stack.

I''m also rarely limping.

Assume I'm limping my whole range of 22+ All suited Aces, AQo+, JTs+ and assuming I'm $300 stack and others cover, I'm raising TT+, AKo, AQs+ (and these would be jams apart from AA, KK which I raise to $120). I'm calling the entire rest of my range. Since I never play this way hard to know....

This seems like a perfect question for GG.

You're playing $300, the min-BI.

The only hand's I'm limp/rr with a short stack are QQ, KK, AA, and AKs. Maybe JJ.

Edit: Rarely limp/flatting unless the whole table is going to be in on it, and then it's smaller pps and suited connectors, maybe some suited As but only for ~$20.

Not sure what one Villain's description matters? If it's going to be heads up, I'm limp/raising a very tight range, if it's going to be a family pot, I might limp the above, but I'm only continuing if I hit gin.

Playing/limping short OOP is rarely a good idea.

So you're limp/flatting PPs below QQ and largely setmining? Or just opening TT-JJ UTG?

This is where it depends on my opponents, how they see me, and if I can outplay them post or know them well enough to gii or go away when I should.

My open-limp/reraise range is the null set, because my open-limping range is the null set. You can't take the blinds down in an unraked pot by limping. Allowing the rake to be collected in an unraised pot is a small disaster.

The only way to get head-up against the blind if we open-limp is if everyone after us folds, which in LOLLSNL is highly unlikely. Which means that when we open-limp, most of the time we will be playing out of position in a multiway pot, which makes it quite difficult to realize the equity of our implied-odds hands. This undercuts the seeming attractiveness of limping with implied-odds hands.

Even assuming we had a limping range playing with a deep stack, playing with a shorter stack should make that range smaller. The shorter the stack, the worse the implied odds, and so implied-odds hands go down in value. Limping with a short stack becomes less and less viable.

(Not that a stack of 60 bigs is all that short.)

I pretty much never limb raise anything with a plan to slow play and limb/RR..

BTW, I'm only limp/rr if I know 100% someone is going to raise -- so again it depends on opponents, etc.

I would never be in this situation because I don't limp without a good read on the situation. Only limp/raising if I know the table is too aggressive and only limping without a plan to raise if the table is very passive, bad and deep.

As a strategy having ended up in this situation? With a short stack the only hands worth limping are pairs and hands you plan to limp/raise. Against a smallish bet and multiple calls you should be calling everything you limped that your not raising. I would raise QQ+ and call with 99- and flip a coin with JJ/TT. Raise with AK if limping that is part of the plan.