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03-14-2015 , 10:19 PM
Underground 6-handed 1/1 cash game in Poland, always the same six guys or so + one new face from time to time. Average buy-in is around 200, so the game tends to play really deep by the end of the night with stacks in the 300-600 BB range.

Hand took place around 1 hour into the session, nothing serious had gone down yet.

Hero image: only non-Pole at the table, fishy rec player, not a total drooler just someone who just likes to play, tonight playing on the nitty side but sometimes gets married to TPTK or 2p on boards where better hands are possible. Not scared money, only serious hand gone to showdown so far was Hero's turned 2p (AK) vs. bottom set (V in that hand had 33), V offered to run river twice and H binked a FH on the second run. Stack: 200 (H bought in for 200, has played very little so far and is just nitting it up until he can get a read).

Villian 1: Tight aggressive but will slip into calling station mode with medium-strength hands as long as boards don't get extra scary, can bluff with air on scary runouts. H and V have played together about a dozen times, rarely have we tangled in serious pots. Stack: 170

Villian 2: New face, unknown, playing very aggressive in position, hasn't shown down a hand yet but has shown some TPGK-type hands that he raised turns and got folds with. H perceives V2 as much more competent than himself, table talk has revealed V2 to play a lot online but I don't know if he's a winner or not. Stack: 150

PF: V1 raises UTG to $3, fold, V2 calls in HJ, BU fold, H calls in SB with 98cc, BB folds.

Flop [$10] 1085

H check
V1 check
V2 bet $8
H call
V1 call

Turn [$34] 1085Q

H bet $12
V1 call
V2 call

River [$70] 1085QA

H bet $32
V1 call
V2 shove ~$100
H

I'm not worried so much about V1, whom I assume will fold to the shove, but at this moment I am trying desperately to figure out what Kxcc or Jxcc combinations V got to the river with. I think my bet is an obvious but not ridicuously thin value bet with so many straight combinations possible as well as lower flushes, but I didn't expect a jam. I'm aware that I have far from the nuts here, which is why I'm having so much trouble making a decision.

Can we find a fold here, or am I agonizing over a fist-pump call? Comments on all streets welcome, but be gentle, I'm a recfish
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03-14-2015 , 10:36 PM
Never folding river here. If you're going to play suited connectors, you're gonna lose to higher flushes occasionally. I don't think your bet is super thin by any means. Lots of 2 pair hands, straights possible and hard to see how V gets to river w higher clubs.

I'm not a big fan of playing suited connectors OOP but you did have good relative position to the raiser. Your turn bet was super small, I'm surprised no one raised it but it worked.
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03-14-2015 , 10:48 PM
I would make both your bets bigger. River is an easy call against an aggressive online player. Two players hitting backdoor flushes is so unlikely and it's not like it's 2x pot shove or anything. Calling like $68 to win $166, right?
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03-14-2015 , 10:49 PM
It's a call, he can easily be overplaying a rivered 2 pair.
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03-15-2015 , 09:51 AM
Yeah I tanked and ran through every hand I thought V could have, nothing that beat me made any sense but I play so infrequently that in these types of situations I need to slow down and evaluate.

Can I get comments on the call flop/lead turn and river line? Should I have let V2 barrel into me instead?

Spoiler:
H calls, V1 folds, V2 tables QJ
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03-15-2015 , 10:02 AM
Its not a 100% fist pump shove but it's not a hard call after a quick review of the action.

NH.

Edit: I fold pre, SCs are really tough OOP because it can be hard to get value out of your hand when you hit. That said, I like your line. Unless you run into a set of queens, its gonna be hard for TP type hands to go nuts and raise you off your draw because your line looks super strong to a competent opponent.

Last edited by DeathCabForTootie; 03-15-2015 at 10:21 AM.
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03-15-2015 , 10:02 AM
Grunch:

This a def call.

A few two pair combos, back door straight draws, lol played sets, and 5% wtf factor.
Plus pot odds.

Yup call.
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