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07-14-2008 , 03:36 PM

CalledDownLight

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Never seen the dude before.

Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: $382.00
Hero (MP2): $432.00
CO: $394.00
BTN: $383.25
SB: $570.00
BB: $574.30
UTG: $291.65
UTG+1: $414.00
UTG+2: $451.85

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with K

UTG raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero raises to $40, 4 folds, UTG calls $28

Flop: ($86.00) A

(2 players)
UTG bets $251.65 all in, Hero gets really confused and angry.

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07-14-2008 , 04:08 PM

Proofrock

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I don't know what he's doing either, but I'm folding vs. an unknown. I imagine he'll show up with flush draws a ton, and occasionally bizarrely played sets or Ax hands.

The trouble is I don't think he's doing this with 88 or QQ as often as one of the above hands, so on average when you're behind you only have 14% equity, whereas when you're ahead I'd expect to usually have about 63% equity -- not a good scenario when facing a 3x pot shove.

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07-14-2008 , 05:44 PM

Falc

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I cry some and fold and then stack him the next time when I got AK instead of KK. As Proofrock said, he will have alot more equity when he is ahead versus your equity when you're ahead.

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07-14-2008 , 06:23 PM

sweeng8

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with no notes, you are playing pretty much blind and can only hope he is a maniac playing trash. I would have to fold here and wait for a better chance, though only calling the reraise is going to get you into this kind of trouble quite a lot

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07-14-2008 , 06:49 PM

miaowmiaowchowface

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flip a coin, alot of time hell be desperate with a PP

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07-14-2008 , 06:54 PM

Clever Nickname

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this is a ******ed ace too often to call here

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07-15-2008 , 01:17 AM

cero_dinero

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it would be closer if it was like $120

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07-15-2008 , 01:30 AM

Ryanj37

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I find that almost always when a half stack does a move like this they have complete air or a draw. However I probably still fold this

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07-15-2008 , 01:34 AM

Proofrock

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Not identical, but here's a similar hand:

Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP2: $1087.00
CO: $2633.05
Hero (BTN): $1264.00
SB: $1000.00
BB: $1160.00
UTG: $1015.00
UTG+1: $2397.60
MP1: $668.70

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with A

3 folds, MP2 raises to $35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $130, 1 fold, BB calls $120, 1 fold

Flop: ($300.00) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $1030 all in, Hero calls $1030

Turn: ($2360.00) J

River: ($2360.00) 8

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CDL -- I'm assuming you called. What did he have if you don't mind me asking?

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07-15-2008 , 02:14 AM

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pattay

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folding never solved anything

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07-15-2008 , 02:15 AM

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Penguinz21

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Originally Posted by pattay

folding never solved anything

lol this is so true. Some days I make conscious efforts to call someone in a specific spot and see what happens.

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07-15-2008 , 03:41 AM

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AllTheCheese

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Yeah but calling here is spew. This guy's stack size is ******ed suggesting that he's some stupid fish. From my experience, stupid fish have Ax in this spot a TON and they're "protecting their hand" or some other such illogic.

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07-15-2008 , 04:49 AM

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dankness3

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proof i fail to see how those hands are very similar

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07-15-2008 , 05:57 AM

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ranka

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

exactly

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07-15-2008 , 06:29 AM

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miaowmiaowchowface

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i also fail to see that proof lol, yours is such a snapcall where this isnt

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07-15-2008 , 11:19 AM

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Proofrock

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I said they weren't that similar, but both involve unknowns overbet open-shoving 3x pot in 3-bet pots on 2-flush boards. Change my AA to KK and the Qd to Ad and they're the same -- obviously my hand is a snap-call whereas CDL's isn't.

Also, I was looking for a reason to post the hand and then this thread came up

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07-15-2008 , 02:51 PM

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mce86

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He is making his decisions and yours easier to make.
Has an ace and is really scared of getting drawn out on....will make this move again when behind.
He gets a purple color!

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07-15-2008 , 03:43 PM

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holdem2000

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Unknowns can play AK this way a lot.

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