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Two preflop spots on 2/5 Two preflop spots on 2/5

01-10-2017 , 02:44 PM
I am 90% certain about what is the correct decision for each spot, but I would like to hear what the consensus in the forum is.

#Hand 1

It's 2:00 am Saturday night. Just sat down with 100bb at table 2-3 hands ago. I am completely readless.

I am UTG on seat 9 and I raise QQ to 20.

Seat 3 3bets to 55. Seat 8 at Bb goes all in for 190 or so.

Shove, call or fold?

#Hand 2

I think it's either the next hand or an orbit later. Still readless. If it was one orbit later, I might have developed a LAG image as I had good run of cards and raised disproportionate number of times in my time at the table.

I am at the BB with AKo with around 100bb behind. Villains cover me.

HJ raises to 20, CO calls, B calls, i 3 bet to 75.

HJ 4bets to 185. CO folds, B folds.

Hero?

Last edited by OvertlySexual; 01-10-2017 at 02:56 PM.
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01-10-2017 , 06:30 PM
Hand 1: Without any reads this is a fold to the 4 bet shove. Unless one or both are very aggressive/maniac you are either facing a bigger pair or AK most of the time.

Hand 2: Another fold. Better chance you can draw out when behind but even less chance you are ahead already. This situation is more favorable then Hand 1 because HJ made both raises and might think you are squeezing. Somewhat less in that villain raised to more then 1/3 of your stack but didn't shove. Balances out the same when added up.
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01-10-2017 , 07:21 PM
I'd shove the first hand. We might get seat 3 off one of his likliest holdings, AK.

Hand 2 I probably go bigger pre, 85-95. Folding to the 4ball
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01-11-2017 , 05:00 AM
Need to give Villains stack sizes for me to reply properly.

Hand 1 could be a jam or fold.

Hand 2 could be a jam or fold.

Hand 2 fwiw, is a fine hand to mix in your flat range (espeically early on with not enough reads) if you have a bad image and are not terrible post flop.

People so scared to play multiway flops with AK, don't get that theory. I'm not one of them.
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01-11-2017 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
I am completely readless.
This is live poker so we are never read-less. Male/Female? How old is the person? What are they wearing? What ethnicity are they? How are their chips stacked? How did they bet? What is their behavior after they bet?

There is a big difference between getting re-raised by the 25-year-old kid who pulled five $100 chips from his fanny pack and just got called for 5/10... and by the 65-year-old guy wearing a button down and his chips stacked 10 high instead of 20.


If the 65-year-old white guy shakes his head visibly as if disgusted by the action--and then re-raises you--my anecdotal experience suggests the QQ and AK should be turbo-mucked.

If I got re-raised by a 20s asian kid with a SWAG flat-billed hat with a sticker on it then I am probably fist-pump stacking off QQ/AK.


If you want the "GTO" answer then it will probably involve not folding... but live players especially at a small game like 2/5 are horribly imbalanced toward value where the GTO play will most certainly have us stacking off too much.
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