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Two hands in 3way pots vs maniacs Two hands in 3way pots vs maniacs

04-19-2011 , 06:38 AM
I was playing live NL $1/$2 FR and had two interesting hands I really need advice on how to play.

There were two maniac players on the table (Villain1 was directly opposite and villain2 was two to my right) who probably had ~80% VPIP and 30% PFR. Villain2 very often straddled to $8 or more.
Most of the hands involved at least one but even more often both of them going to the turn, river and often showdown. They are friends but played hard back at each other.
The other players at the table (including me) played very tight because of the maniacs and they were aware of this as they were needling players for playing tight.

Hand #1:
Villain1 is SB (~$1000)
Villain2 is UTG (~$700)
Hero is UTG+2 (~$250)

Preflop
Villain2 raises to $11
Hero (AA) raises to $35
Villain1 calls $34 in SB
Villain2 calls $24
Everyone else folds.

Flop (pot is $108)
68T
SB donks $56
UTG flats
I think for a while and then SB says "you have two options, fold or go all in".
Hero?


Hand #2
I had announced that I would leave the table after two hands.

Villain2 is BB (~$500) He had gone from a huge stack to $0 and bought back in for $500 and was playing very aggressively. He had 3bet from the blinds often and seen guys fold to his 3b.
Hero is UTG+2 (~350)
Villain2 is CO (~$1000)

Preflop
Hero (KQ) raises to $8 (I was sure the tight players would fold and KQs would do well against the maniac-ranges)
Villain1 in CO calls $8
Villain2 in BB 3bets to $28
Hero calls $20
Villain1 calls $20

Flop ($85)
872
BB bets $56
Hero calls $56
CO folds

Turn $197
Q
BB bets $80
Hero?

Will post the results later.
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04-19-2011 , 10:27 AM
Hand 2 seems like a pretty clear call turn and see the river, unless you think Villain is calling a ship on the turn with worse than TP2K (I assume he's never folding better). Against described Villain (i.e. a "maniac") I'm probably calling every river too.

Hand 1 sucks, bit I think it's gotta be a fold. I hate the idea of just dumping AA given that it's a 3-way 3bet pot that we started with just over 100bb but it feels like calling and shoving are both going to be -EV on that board, even in position against two friends trying to out lag each other.
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04-19-2011 , 10:03 PM
hand one sucks..you've put in 15% of your stack preflop, and have an SPR of 2 on the flop...but this is the worst flop for your hand. sets, flushes, straights or combo drawy hands are all in their range. I'd let this one go

hand two : seems his turn bet of less than 1/2 pot can be meant to induce you to raise. The best way to play against maniacs is give them the rope to hang themselves. Don't counter aggression with aggression. Your hand has showdown value as is and can improve significantly to the river. So call >raise
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04-20-2011 , 04:02 AM
Hand 1: Fold. You're beat a lot and SB's speech makes me want to fold even more. The times you're good, you're going to be sweating a bunch of outs. Y
Hand 2: Call/Call seems like the best option.
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04-20-2011 , 05:47 AM
Results:
Hand #1
Spoiler:

Hero folds. I was sure that I was beat
Turn K went check-bet-fold
SB donked with a straight draw.
UTG flopped the second nuts w A5


Hand #2
Spoiler:

Hero shoves the remaining stack (approx $180).
BB calls

River is a 4.
Villain wins ~$700 w a straight (56)
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04-20-2011 , 09:24 PM
Hand 2 I think calling flop and turn are both reasonable and shipping turn is perfectly reasonable and a case can be made for shipping the flop as well you likely have 15 outs on the flop. Call might be a little better because there is a good chance you have the best hand or the flush gets there and the maniac tries to bluff you off it.


I see he called your ship with 6 outs and got there. I'm happy to play against a guy that calls me down so stupid light, at best he has 14 outs on the turn there and more typically 8.

Last edited by captfunk99; 04-20-2011 at 09:28 PM. Reason: saw results
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