1/3, 350eff., I'm new to table and don't know villain; MAWG, big stack in front of him, my guess is not a great player since I don't know him, been playing pretty loose pre the two orbits I've been at table.

I have AJ UTG and raise to 12. Call, V calls in MP, several more calls, and we're 5-way to the flop.

Flop (60): A23

I bet 44. Only villain calls.

Turn (128): J

I bet 90...

It would be grosss to get raised right now, but I guess I'm probably calling.

Obviously shoving blank rivers, but if the river is a third , I could find myself in a pretty uncomfortable spot, with only 110 left in a pot of 300.

Assuming a club river, what is our plan? Just put it in and hope he calls with worse? I don't think x/folding is an option (at all really) without better reads.

I suppose I could have potted the flop and turn, making the river decision trivial.

Thoughts?

This is all fine so far.

Given the opponent, you can check/eval and probably fold club rivers, I don't think unknown MAWG is going to be turning a worse hand into a bluff on a club river.


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I'm not sure why you think a turn raise is gross? Definitely get it in if he raises.

Villain only had 8 outs also as the J of clubs is no good so he's drawing thin to flush.

Because few rec players flat flop then raise turn with an unimproved flush draw, so unless he has J and is just going for it then I'm expecting to see a lot of 45, some 22, 33, or a bit less likely A2/A3/AJ. I'm certainly not expecting a raise, most of these hands raise flop, but if he does, then you're really still feeling great about AJ there?? I'm sure not.

I think turn is a bet/fold if a passive guy shoves. If he decided to just call A2/A3 on flop, he's just calling them on turn. For this reason, I prefer going slightly smaller OTT. He's going to fold a FD to a $70-75 bet too with only one card to come. Also, a $90 bet may get him to fold AK-AT which are the main hands we're targeting now.

You can c/f clubs and value bet non-clubs OTR.

Live players are lol bad. Yes I like top two

Who said villain was passive. People spazzing out with AK, AQ, type hands often.
We are not that deep.
We can also beat all 2 pair hands and flush draws. There's just too many hands we can beat. I agree we can possibly fold to a club on the river, but other than that I'm getting it all in on turn or river.
Maybe we are beat but this is the most EV play long term

Preflop result it 100% expected, right? If you like the result, keep doing that. If you don't like the result, don't. I don't like the result, so I would limp. We might differ on what we consider a good result.

SPR is < 6, which means it will be trivial to get stacks in by the river. In fact, it's so small and board so drawy you could argue for wanting to get stacks in by the turn (which could be accomplished by 2 slight overbets). But we gave 4 opponents incredible IO of 33+:1, and are almost behind as many Ax hands as ahead. Course, we're ahead of draws and would like to charge them. Are we up against a draw? A worse Ace? A better A or better? We have zero room to find out; by the time the money goes in, it'll be too late.

I suck at these postflop situations (which is why I try to avoid them preflop). Heck, I might even just check the flop and see what happens.

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I can go either way pre. Flop is a definite bet, but I might make it $50 or even $60. As played, turn is good. Call a raise and gii on all non-club rivers.

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