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Turned nut flush, river pairs board Turned nut flush, river pairs board

12-12-2014 , 07:15 AM
This is from a 1/2 live cash game

V, 400 behind in MP, is a Middle Aged woman, quite aggressive, will call pairs with over cards on the board (except to big raises on river), and has been opening quite wide

Hero, been at the table for a short while, on the button, 250 behind, has tried one bluff which didn't work

Hero has A5h

Villain raises pre flop to 8, hero calls (should this be a raise to take initiative?), BB calls

Pot 25

Flop KT4hh

V bets 5, hero raises to 15, BB folds, V tanks for 30 seconds and calls

Pot 55

Turn Qh

V checks, hero bets 20, V snap calls

Pot 95

River Q

V bets 25, hero raises to 55, villain reraises to 155

Hero?? I don't like this spot one bit. Initial read makes me put her on QT because of the flop tank call, turn snap, and river donk/raise. Don't put her on sets as I think she would lead out turn (and probably raise flop with a flush draw).
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12-12-2014 , 09:51 AM
Your line is fine until the river. You should of just called, one of the worst cards in the deck hits us and we raise? I just don't understand that reasoning. As played, I think we have to sigh call. She might show up with 10 K sometimes as well.
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12-12-2014 , 12:17 PM
Is it really a terrible line to raise on this river? There are so many hands we're beating at this point that we can still extract value from. Granted, we're beaten by a full house, hence the raise/fold line might be the way to go (or still raise/call)?

Do we really run scared that we miss our value bets? Surely this isn't even value betting THAT thin?

I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just debating the point here
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12-12-2014 , 12:50 PM
I'm probably just calling river. It's def a r/f spot though. He's never 3betting river with worse than you.
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12-12-2014 , 01:11 PM
All streets played poorly in my opinion. Not sure if you are on the BTN, but even so A5s is not a great call heads up only 125bb deep, especially not against this villain. A5s is more of a hand to play in position, multiway, and very deep. It is a hand with which you want to maximize implied odds.

That said, if you have a good handle on V's tendencies and think you can just call, get it heads up, and steal easily post-flop... Then go for it (although not really worth this risk). But this doesn't sound like an easy Villain to steal pots from.

As played, the flop raise to $15 is pitiful. Not sure if I agree with raising when we have position and can just call and see what she does on turn. But if you do raise, $15 is awful sizing that has zero fold equity. Make it a solid pot sized raise to $35-40.

Turn, go bigger for value. She likes her hand on the flop and prob not folding top pair. Again, 3/4 pot or so would be good.

As played river, I like raising what looks like a blocker bet. But once again sizing isn't great. You have to go bigger for value (but not pot-sized because we need to leave room to fold to a shove since the board paired). Sucks when she reraises... I am terrible in these tough river decisions, but it really boils down to whether she has straights/weaker flushes in her range. Were the K and T of hearts on the flop? It's a pretty important question because if both were hearts, there are a lot fewer combos of weaker flushes she might do this with. If that's the case, it is a lot closer to a fold on river unfortunately. But we should feel good about raise/folding.

Overall I think the biggest issues in this hand were preflop hand selection and bet sizing (big one). I don't think you understand how to bet/raise according to the size of the pot in the heat of the action. It's something worth learning.
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12-12-2014 , 01:22 PM
I think you should have raised more on flop and bet more on turn. The river sucks. I like the raise of her weak lead, but I hate her re-raise, although your raise was pretty weak. I don't think I could fold, though.
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12-12-2014 , 01:51 PM
The flop had a Kh. 10 wasnt a heart.

I called pre flop as both blinds were quite cally and thought at least 1 would want to see the flop (one of them did call).

Probably right about the bet sizing points - I raised the flop not really for fold equity but because her bet seemed so weak and thought if I took initiative I could steal the pot if I didn't hit my flush. The villain is quite cally but will lay down on river to big bets without top pair (didn't put her on a K, could be wrong of course). Obviously I should have raised more on the flop and then raised much bigger on the turn though (in hindsight, of course).

So it seems consensus here is to fold (apart from 1 who says call).

As played, i tanked and folded. Villain claims she had a small flush...
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