Hero has around $500-600. Maybe has a slightly sticky image - called down a loose player with top pair and won versus a bluff.

Villain 1 is an unknown. MABG. Fishy player.
There is a hand where I wasn’t involved that gives me insight on his play.


MW board, SRP and multiple callers.
Board comes JT8 rainbow. There’s a check, a bet, a raise, and another call before a 3! Jam. V1 calls. The original bettor now jams over. The raiser folds. There’s another jam and then another jam from the caller before V1. V2 calls again. It’s a massive, $800-900 pot. People show their hands. Three players but V1 has 97 for the flopped straight - villain 1 has KQ. Turn comes another jack, and I hear shouting as the Barry Greenstein arrives on the river. Villain 1 scoops a massive pot and felts three people. The original raiser claims he folded JT.

He proceeds to spew money cold calling and check/folding flops he misses. I don’t have a great opinion of him.


Villain 2 is a YWG who looks like he plays too much poker and is still a recreational.

OTTH

Hero in MP+1 and makes it $15 with ATdd. V1 is in LP and calls, V2 is in the blinds and calls.

($45) Flop comes KKQr.
V2 checks, I cbet $25. This is a board that I’ll smash with good trips. V1 calls and V2 folds.

($95) Turn brings in a Js. This puts a flush draw on the board. I continue for $75 have turned Broadway. Villain snap minclicks it for $150 and I call.
Alarm bells here, but I don’t think I can fold to a single raise here.

($395) River brings a non-spade low card. Big blank.

I check fairly quickly, and villain snap rips it for around $300-400 and pushes his stack carefully towards the betting line.

Hero ?

As hero ponders his decision, villain starts looking as his phone and gets really comfy and shows disinterest as I tank.
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Gut instinct was snap fold. I don’t think villain here goes crazy without a boat. Even K9, KT, K8s that just call have to be worried about AK. Min click on the turn followed by the snap jam is a suspiciously strong line. I put villain on exactly KQ or KJ fairly quickly. It’s possible for this villain type to have AK here. I don’t have MUBS, but I feel I’m behind everytime I call here.

Thoughts?

Forgot to mention, but this 1/3 NLHE.


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I think your instincts are right. Think vs large portion of player pool this is a trivial fold. Vs villain described its probably a call and have minimal positive EV.

Preflop standard.

Prefer to check rainbow flop and cbet FD flops.

Turn: our bet is too big I think. We have compressed V on the flop to Qx minimum. I'd rather target his Qx with smaller bets and we lose less when we're behind.

River: I'd rather block bet here than check. What hands are we checking, given the line we just took throughout the hand? It's too fishy.

We get 2-1 to call and I suppose we are too high in our range to fold. Perhaps we have induced a bluff. V can have KT also. He can have JT too.

I would get a chip count and look at pot odds. 75% pot and pot is enough of a difference that it is important. Subtle changes in his range might make this a call at $300 and a fold at $400.

I think I would at least try to get a read on villain through speech play. He looks very comfortable which I would lean towards strength. I would see who comfortable he is talking to you and looking you in the eye. You can gauge how much he wants you to call. You might even just ask him if he has KQ, KJ, QQ, JJ, AK, KT, and see what his answer is. I wouldn't count on it, but say if he had AT or T9, and he snap answers no when you ask if he had a boat, sometimes from a weaker player that is a sign they don't have a boat, but still want you to call. I wouldn't put all my stock in this because people can always lie.

It is interesting that it sounds like villain has been check folding a lot of boards where he whiffed.

It sounds like he is vpiping pretty wide. Do you think he has ATo pre? T9o? If you are 80% villain has ATs, ATo, T9s, and T9o in his range pre I would probably call his bet even if it turned out to be $400. If you are 60% sure I would call up to $350. If you are 50% sure I would call up to $300. But these are based off of arbitrary assumptions.

If he had all these hands pure on the river then definitely calling $400. I have to give at least some weight to the snap min raise and snap river jam though, so that even if he had these hands in his range pre, he may not be as likely to raise turn and may at least take some time to think.

In the moment I am probably just going to call.

So the previous hand he flopped a straight? (there were two v1's mentioned). If that's all we have on him, what specifically is fishy about him then? I don't see anything that would suggest he would do this with Kx or less.

Since you know him better than anyone in a post, I would go just with that and fold. Min-raises on paired boards followed by a jam is a boat from most players, even most fish.

V1 flopped open ended, then called through three jams.


Hero tanks. I look at him and say “it’s pretty sick that you have KQ or KJ here.”

I fold face up. He tables KJ. Hero gets away from this one.

Ok so he still played the OESD passively by calling them down though.

It was a good fold. What separates a great player from a good player is his ability to fold big hands when warranted.

FWIW don't fold face up, not because of the main villain but you're giving the one or two good players at the table free information that could easily be used against you later in a big hand against them. if I was sitting there I would conclude that you're very easy to bluff in big spots when flushes complete or the board pairs.

This is great advice. I used to show some of my folds if i tanked for a long time where i thought the table was annoyed. Then a couple guys starting bombing big bets at me all over the place and made my life at the table so much harder. Moral of the story, show your winners and nothing else. Never talk strategy at the table.