Live 2/5 game at local cas, 9 handed.

Hero $370 playing standard TAG
Villain Covers Hero and is fairly new to table, middle eastern man in 50s. Seems like standard player ABC player.

PreFlop
3 Limpers including Villain on BTN, hero completes in SB with 58

FLOP $25
A23

Checks round to Villain who bets $10, hero calls, BB calls.

TURN $55
4

Checks round to villain again who bets $30. Hero raises to $100. BB folds, Villain calls.

River $255
10

Hero?

Questions
River? Should i be valuebetting here, if so how much, and what to do if raised?
Best line for turn?

I would raise a little more on turn. $120ish. Sets up a river shove easier and gets more value from the hands that "still have outs" but may be able to find a fold on the river when all 5 cards are out: 22/33/44/A4/A2/A3.

As played I'm torn b/w shoving and betting small to try and coax a call out of the above range.

1. Don't complete pre with a trash hand

2. Generally, you should be folding the flop without a read that the villain is a payoff wizard. A "standard ABC player" doesn't sound like the kind of guy I expect to give me 2 good streets of value when you hit a 4.

3. Just lead out on the turn for like $45-50, you're going to hate yourself if it checks through. As played with the check, a raise was a must. I would also raise a little bit more.

4. Checking this river would be absolutely awful, your flush is highly likely to be good. This guy was willing to pay $100 on the turn, he has a hand of some kind. Give him a chance to continue paying you.

I agree, but with 3 limpers and us having a suited 2-gaper, I don't mind the call (if we have somewhat of a decent image and villains would respect our raises ). But I would like to know a bit more about table dynamics and villains if I'm going to call from the worst position possible hoping to flop gin.

However, I would fold a suited 3-gaper or any offsuit connector garbage. Also, if I had a really bad image though and was seen as easy money (ie just lost a few big hands) I would fold this from SB.

Yeah, the only reason to chase a straight draw (especially a GUT shot) is if hitting it will be well disguised and you can get paid back more than 11:1 on whatever bet you have to call to hit the gut shot (5:1 OESD). I love to chase gut shots on the flop when I know V is monster and if I hit my gut shot it is will disguised and I'll easily be able to get stacks in and make back 20:1 or greater on the bet I had to call...

But in Op's case, its kinda hard to get paid off on a 4-to-straight board and I'm not sure we'd be able to make back the $100 we need to justify the chasing....

Agreed

I expect V to check back turn 80% of the time here. Plus, if V is strong and has a set or stubborn 2 pair he may even raise you. But when you go for a check/raise here you fold out all of V's Ax bs hands.

Agreed. River is an easy lead out $150 for straight fat value. He has to call that with 100% of whatever he called your turn bet with. I expect 2p and sets to make a crying call and you may even get a shove from another straight since backdoor flushes are heavily discounted.

Sucks if he has Axcc though... But that is a tiny part of his range and two backdoor flushes when heads up is pretty rare. But once you bet $150 on river, you have to call if he over shoves you

So easy lead out $150 on river for fat value

I'm fine with either check raising or leading turn you are going to get a lot of value either way. River I am betting about $120 I think a shove is a bit to strong and you should get a ton of value with the smaller bet.

Pre is fine IMO.
Fold the flop. You're just not going to get there very often, most times when you do, you won't get paid and sometimes you will be dominated by the higher end. Just a bad situation on the whole.
Turn play is fine IMO if...
Shove the river. Tons of donkeys holding a 5 will call you expecting to chop. I think it's really rare for him to show up with a bigger flush.

Every time OP bets $150 with ~$100 behind and gets called by a 5, I think he should punch self in nuts.

Thanks for the replies.
First post, in hindsight should have included a bit more information.
I called PF because i figured i was getting good odds and 2/3 of the other players (excluding Villain) in the hand were fishy.
OTF i called because of draws and i had seen the fishy players pay people off on 4 to a flush/straight boards with top pair etc.

Results
Hero leads out on river for $140, Villain shoves, Hero all-in calls ~100more.
Villain Shows Ax Clubs

BBV. That hand was in range, I thought about mentioning it in my OP.

Value owning yourself once in awhile is a good thing, it means you aren't missing value bets.

I hate everything about calling the flop
- We have nothing but a desperate backdoor draw
- We're only getting 3-1 (yes, only)
- Our stack is shallow as heck
- No guarantee of implied odds from villain description

if you ever consider checking back otr then you are being way too results oriented.

Pre-flop, fine. Flop, awful. You have to bet this turn. This is getting checked back to you a huge portion of the time. On the river, get all the monies in the middle.