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Turn and river action, call or fold ? Turn and river action, call or fold ?

04-25-2012 , 10:23 AM
2/5 local casino Las Vegas

Hero (180+bb): I have a pretty tight image (almost a nit) at this point. Been pretty card dead, but I have used this image to 3 bet steal a few small pots pre from more active players.

Villain(~180+bb): early/mid 40 white guy. Been at table for about hour/ hour 1/2. Has been pretty active raising pre flop from all over place more than his fair share especially in late position. I have not seen any of his hands since none has gone to showdown with exception of one. He sat down with 40bb and doubled up once on a Jxx flop w/ AJo ( he was pre flop raiserUTG, one caller BB, c bet 2/3 pot J45r, and shoved when BB c/r, and BB missed with 76o).
It seems he started with a short stack to get a feel of the table since he added to his stack and now is sitting with about 170-190 bb.

History: two orbits earlier, hero called a MP raise on BUT with AJss, and fold toa 3 bet from villain in SB.

To the hand:
Fold around to hero in CO J9 opens to 4x
V calls on BUT. Blinds fold.

Flop (~40)
899
Hero $35, V calls.

Turn (~$110)
4
Hero $75, V $200. Hero asks for a count and tanks and calls.

I think I am too deep to shove and will only get called by better hands. V is representing a very narrow range here, and I chose to call and let him continue bluffing if he was bluffing, other wise keep the pot as small as possible.

Thoughts on turn action?

River (~$510)
6

I don't like this river at all. FD and some SD just got there.

Hero? b/f? c/c? c/f?

hero checks, V $400.

Hero?
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04-25-2012 , 10:54 AM
Ok so you both start w/ stacks of ~$1900?

I don't see why you think you have to shove on the turn? I mean you can raise to like 600. But whether I raise the turn here really depends on my read of the player.


As played up until river, I b/f the river for about 330 rather than check/call. I don't like checking in spots like this unless I am absolutely resigned to folding to any bet over 1/2 pot.

In your exact spot I guess I would call the river bet. I could easily be wrong, but I don't see him having many flushes or straight draws on this board that would've got there. If anything I think he's more likely to have something like 88 or 98 than some draw. But I think I would just have to see it. Your hand def doesn't look like 9x here if I'm villain and I could easily value own myself w/ worse or make a bluff because your hand looks way weaker than it is. Looks more like TT-QQ.

Last edited by spyu; 04-25-2012 at 11:01 AM.
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04-25-2012 , 11:02 AM
~ $900 starting stack.
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04-25-2012 , 11:17 AM
oh ok.

His line looks very strong. I just don't see what bluffs he has that smooth call that flop and raise the turn. Because up to the point he raises you on the turn, your hand is pretty consistent w/ TT+ and strong spade draws.

If he's kind of bad i.e. would play something like JJ+ this way or make some weird bluff/semi with a draw, I would raise the turn and try to get it in. Or at least go call, call.

If he's more competant/nitty post flop I think you could make arguments for c/f or b/f the river.
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04-25-2012 , 11:38 AM
Preflop I'm not sure I like the open from CO with an active player on the button. I know you said you have a tight image, but villain also 3bet squeezed with you in the pot within the past 20 minutes or so.

As far as the turn is concerned you are in a bit of an awkward spot with stack sizes. You have a bit more than a pot size raise left. I actually think your hand is going to be good often because I think this player is going to have a lot of draws and floats in his range. I don't mind shoving, but if you think you're only going to get called by better hands then calling with the intention of calling most/all rivers is fine imo.

On the river I c/c. T7/75 get there (if they are in his range), as well as spades. However clubs missed as well as JT/QT/QJ. You are also ahead of T9/97 and chop with another J9. I think you are good often enough to make the call.
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04-25-2012 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ThierryHenry
Preflop I'm not sure I like the open from CO with an active player on the button. I know you said you have a tight image, but villain also 3bet squeezed with you in the pot within the past 20 minutes or so.
Valid point, but

1) I have a very credible image at this point and I knew my raise should get some respect

2) I was prepared to 4 bet him if he 3 bet.
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04-26-2012 , 12:54 AM
Bump for more feedback
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04-26-2012 , 09:39 AM
ick. pretty close. not sure why you can't have spades here. i'd prob nit fold and hate life.
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