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09-22-2022 , 01:13 AM
TAG reg, solid winning player opens to 15$ UTG

Hero has 9dTd in MP only 200$ effective

Figured I should just fold this, maybe 3! Occasionally, but table was loose and not 3 betting much, and I was tilted so I called.

BU calls
BB calls LAG

Flop (60$)
AsJs8s

Checks through
Turn 7h
BB bets 25$
UTG calls

Hero?
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09-22-2022 , 05:05 AM
Just call. You want to keep this pot as small as you can. If the River is a brick and BB bets again, you just have to call again too.
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09-22-2022 , 08:27 AM
If we are always calling off brick rivers, I prefer a raise onthe turn. BB can have a lot of two pairs. A raise to $65 gets extra value when they have a set, two pair or a high spade. Unless BB has the nut flush he is not going to three bet you. And then check back everything on the river. Folding to any normal sized bet.
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09-22-2022 , 10:00 AM
I just call and see what happens on the river. They will slow way down w/o the nut flush. No need to go broke here or put in half your stack just to fold.
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09-22-2022 , 10:35 AM
Pretty easy call. You have position, leverage it to see the river and make an informed decision then.
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09-22-2022 , 10:39 AM
Just call
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09-22-2022 , 11:10 AM
I'm assuming this is 1/3 NL give the open sizing?

It's hard to be a long term winning player if you have tilt issues. I would somehow attempt to resolve that or at least learn how to lesson the damage when you recognize you have it.

Very trivial fold preflop for me. We're putting in way too big a chunk of our stack preflop with a speculative hand, could be squeezed, and will often end up sandwiched between the raiser and others behind us postflop.

With an OESD I might take a stab at this on the flop when it is checked to us, even just a small bet to help clarify the situation and then evaluate from there. But also fine with a check.

With $110 in the pot and us only having $185 left, I think I just jam and live with results.

ETA: Looks like I'm outvoted, but I'm still shoving. We're only going to have a PSB left for the river so the pot control train has left town already. Original raiser looks like he is drawing and we can easily be ahead of donker, so lets do this now while we're likely ahead in a huge pot, imo.

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09-22-2022 , 11:37 AM
I ended up raising to 75$ and BB jammed.

Another 110$ to call

Is this an easy fold, I felt committed and called it off
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09-22-2022 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SetOfNines
I ended up raising to 75$ and BB jammed.

Another 110$ to call

Is this an easy fold, I felt committed and called it off
When you raise you should have a plan for what to do when jammed on.

I fold here and hate my life. I assume you were against a flush.
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09-22-2022 , 11:57 AM
I would fold PF. Would call vs. a normal size raise or if you were deeper, but calling $15 to win $200 is not a good bet (also would call had you been OTB or BB and saw those intervening callers).

Call and call river. Your straight is a marginal made hand here.

EDIT: Now I see the result. Well, you have to judge if V is capable of a 3-bet semi-bluff with something like KsJx or QsJx. Against a described "TAG" --and really, against all but maniacs--I'd say no and fold. BTW, this is exactly why you call turn!

Last edited by tipperdog; 09-22-2022 at 12:00 PM. Reason: saw results
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09-22-2022 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SetOfNines
I ended up raising to 75$ and BB jammed.

Another 110$ to call

Is this an easy fold, I felt committed and called it off
Since you raised, now you have to call, but you should know this answer before raising. Stay ahead of the airplane.

I also agree to fold pre, especially with your stack size and vs an UTG raise from a "solid winning player"
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09-22-2022 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
Since you raised, now you have to call, but you should know this answer before raising. Stay ahead of the airplane.

I also agree to fold pre, especially with your stack size and vs an UTG raise from a "solid winning player"
Why do you have to call? If he shows his hand face up as a flush. Which he is doing. You can make a pretty easy laydown. Unless you think he is making a play since you both checked the flop.

I like the raise. You would have called a $50 river bet on a blank. This way you get value when he doesn’t have a flush.

Also fold pre. $15 when your stack is $200? Tighten up a bit
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09-22-2022 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
Why do you have to call? If he shows his hand face up as a flush. Which he is doing. You can make a pretty easy laydown. Unless you think he is making a play since you both checked the flop.

I like the raise. You would have called a $50 river bet on a blank. This way you get value when he doesn’t have a flush.
It's almost a min-raise, and his hand isn't face up. He could have anything, the nut draw, two pair just getting in the rest of his money and closing his eyes, or maybe AK who knows but I'm not folding with no info on him.

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Originally Posted by larry the legend
Also fold pre. $15 when your stack is $200? Tighten up a bit
I would fold rather than going heads up and OOP vs an UTG raiser who's the best winning player at the table. If I had T9s and I was the best player at the table and much deeper, that's when I might start thinking about calling.
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