UTG (reg/tag; 600) opens 25
**main V***MP1 (VPIP 40%, MAAG, 1k) calls
CO calls (bad tag, 800)
Call OTB AT (550)
**blinds are pretty fishy and don't mind a family pot with our hand

FLOP - QJ8 (130)
checks to Hero, we check it back

TURN - 6 (130)
x,x, MP1 bets 55, CO calls,
Hero to 205
MP1 tank calls, Co folds HU


Thoughts? Really awkward stack sizes OTT and now river. How do we proceed on bricks?

Pot size OTR is 600. We have about 240 left behind.

I think calling turn is better... looks hard to bluff 5 people... especially when a bet and a call occured before your action.

What is the river? Did he check?

If brick (no spade/diamond/9) and V check, check it back...

OTT i'd just flat... you literally rep nothing other than 66 and you arent generating that many folds, and if you get shoved on you hate life

river i'd just give up, you beat some draws and have some SDV, if both FDs brick you're getting stationed by any Qx and some pairs

If you were going to bluff in this hand, why wouldn't you just bet the flop?

Thought I could go either way OTF. Wanted to take a free card.

But when it checks around AGAIN and MP makes such a small fishy bet on such a super wet board, does HE really have anything? He likely bets Qx after pfr checks...so I'm thinking his likely holdings are hands like JX or 8X.

It's true that I don't rep much since I checked back flop IP, but I should have the widest range so 86s, 66 are very much possible.

No merit to raising turn with a 15 OUT nut draw? We get his stack if he is on worse diamonds.

How do I hate life? I am double gutted w/ NFD. It would be a snap call if he went all-in for that price.

Given action, I almost always up against 2p (guy is very loose so 86o, J6s, Q6s are possible) or 66 so I have a ton of outs and getting more than enough of a price with my equity.

Shove turn if you're going with it there. At least get some fe. Betting flop tho with back door diamonds.

So you are putting Villain on a range of hands that will not fold to your raise, and all of which are ahead of you, but you're raising anyway?

I think you made your decision on the flop not to bluff at this, which is fine, but if I decided not to bluff the flop I would not change my mind on the turn.

You do understand that because it's the turn, hands that are ahead of you are all significantly ahead, right?

Preflop
Pretty easy call,as the reason you gave to bring the fish in. I like it
Flop
Easy check back given the amout of runners and our hand is pretty crappy
Turn
Again easy call,never raising here while we do have a big combo draw at the end of the day we only have ace high.
if we get raised you have committed yourself to a draw.
If we get called I dont expect many folds from your river shove as you barely have a 1/3 PSB.

While the turn card is good for you, in the villians eyes your raise doesnt make much sense unless you hold 86,66 as you would be betting all other hands on the flop.
If co or mp does have a diamond flush draw you want to keep them in not blown them out of the water.
Overall
I think you just got the mind set that since you have 15 outs that you should be raising.
If it was the flop then yeah sometimes that is the right thing to do but on the turn your odds drop drastically and raising just doesnt make much sense.



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Preflop, you can call or raise depending on what you believe UTG range looks like. I would love to pick up the dead money. At these stack sizes I would expect to get 4bet or a fold. Our hand plays solid mutli-way so okay with flat too.

Flop is same situation. Taking free is fine. So is betting and bombing all straights and diamonds on turn.

Turn, the price is right. Let's see river with slam dunk profitable call. If we are gonna bluff. Put heat on and jam. But we rep nothing and expect someone to put pieces together and hero call.

I don't really agree with this. Most of his range is mp+draws since he likely bets TP after the pfr checks. No reason for him to get tricky w/ QK, QT when the pot is so multi-way and the table is pretty soft.

We have very good equity (30%+) vs hands like 89 JT 87dd...especially if there is a chance he folds his p+d to brick rivers

River is 2c; he checks we shove for 240...what is he doing with those hands?

It's a really sick spot if I am mp and have like JdTd facing a shove on a brick river...we block diamond draws so we are hoping you checked back a spade draw OTB OTF? That's not something you see at LLSNL since guys will bet their fd's there.

Even getting 4:1 on the river jam...can we Hero with bad blockers and mp?

So you're ranging him based on what he showed cool.

I ranged him on weak/drawing based on 2 facts

1) he checked flop on a super wet board after the PFR checked

2) his weak bet sizing on the turn

I think this is a very well played exploitative hand tbh. And a great example of how to make money live.

There are tons of hands that will check raise you on the flop and get you off your nut equity. All the sets, K10, spades will bet huge or shove. Especially because you are on the button and will look like you are trying to steal when you bet.

By checking and analyzing your opponents bet sizing and physical tells you get information on where your opponents are at. And I like the river bet after bricking, as you only have to get it through 1/4 times for it be profitable. Live it will get a ton of folds from players who think in terms of absolute dollars not the pot size.

And you could easily have a monster you were getting tricky with. Or at least in the eyes of most LLSNL bad players as you’ve described .

its so hard to semi-bluff on this spot vs s number of interested villains.
we have the position, so call and hope to hit.

Ya but I still think a flop bet is fine since, even if I get raised, I am still in decent shape when I GII...but it does add unnecessary variance and becomes more gambly. So either way, I don't think I could have messed up the flop.

V obviously has somekind of flush/combo draw. Shoving river on all bricks

I'd flat turn given 3 ways. Heads up I raise turn and shove all rivers if checked to.
That said I have a nit image.