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01-03-2015 , 08:45 AM
**This hand was kind of a critical hand in terms of my evaluation during it and how, after the hand, my mind wasn't all there and I left by my next blind** Had I played it with a more pre-formed plan (OTF) I think I wouldn't have started daydreaming, etc. (Left the table before I did any damage to my stack)

Eff. Stacks 250

V is the type of villain who calls two streets with close to ATC (runner runner draws, gutshots, overs, unders, etc). V has a history of getting the best of players on rivers when they think he is bad, but he never calls / raises the river without having a made hand of some sort (2p+ from what I've seen). Played 5+ sessions with him, he definitely profits but isn't your standard player. He just knows how to get people to pay him off when it counts (LAG, raises pre all the time, etc.) ..

V raises from UTG+1 to 13, folds to me in HJ with 910. CO is OMC and has already signaled he's folding pre, the player in the btn has not raised a pot once the entire session (he and I were at a must move and ended up at this table together, so I am accounting for both tables I've seen him play at). Blinds are weak players. I flat call in order to keep his range wide, and my range wide as well. This hand would be among the weaker holdings I've seen a flop with this session. (Anyway) - Folds around, blinds fold. Pot is 26.

Flop T56

V checks to me, I bet 20. Villain instant calls. Pot 66.

Turn: 8 V checks to me. Hero?
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01-03-2015 , 08:56 AM
Don't over think this hand. He's a player that is going to tell you when you're beat. A bet on the turn of 35 is fine. If he raises, you fold. On the river, check behind if he checks. If he bets, you'll have a decision to make.
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01-03-2015 , 09:31 AM
If your description of V is accurate, you gotta take him to value town. Bet the turn, bet the river if he checks to you (assuming you've seen him call river bets light).

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01-03-2015 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Daft_Punk
V is the type of villain who calls two streets with close to ATC (runner runner draws, gutshots, overs, unders, etc).
exploit this

bet no less than $60
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01-03-2015 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Don't over think this hand. He's a player that is going to tell you when you're beat. A bet on the turn of 35 is fine. If he raises, you fold. On the river, check behind if he checks. If he bets, you'll have a decision to make.
Do you mind going through your river decision on a blank (3); what's the rationale behind a check back on a river like this? I did exactly this and this is where I'm overthinking, i suppose*
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01-03-2015 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Daft_Punk
Do you mind going through your river decision on a blank (3); what's the rationale behind a check back on a river like this? I did exactly this and this is where I'm overthinking, i suppose*
The rationale is based on your statement of:
"he never calls / raises the river without having a made hand of some sort (2p+ from what I've seen)" If this true then value betting TPWK is bad since according to the above he will fold worse and call or raise with better. There is no positive outcome. If the above is really true all a river bet does is open up a spot for him to c/r bluff.
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01-05-2015 , 04:06 PM
I would typically fold preflop. My overall strategy at this level is to hit a hand and get paid off. If we just call here and go HU, a large part of our strategy is going to have to be to get this guy to fold a better hand postflop, and I don't think that is typically a good strategy at this level, especially playing a not-exactly-deep EP raiser. If more people were in the pot I'd play for my hit-a-hand value.

I'd also bet the flop when checked to, especially with our decent equity against most hands.

I would probably check back the turn. We have a showdownable hand that doesn't want to build any more of a pot UI. We also have a decent draw that we don't want to be blown off of. And if we hit any of our outs we are getting paid off a decent amount of the time. My turn thinking goes a lot with my hit-a-hand strategy, in that we got our money in good on the flop with decent equity and now let's realize that equity and get paid off; other's will probably barrel / barrel here with our decent equity, but I think that leans more to lets-get-someone-to-fold-an-overpair which I just don't think is as profitable a strategy at this level.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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01-05-2015 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
If he raises, you fold.
Bet/folding a TP type hand is fine. Betting and having to fold a hand with a decent draw sucks, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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01-05-2015 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rubixxcube
The rationale is based on your statement of:
"he never calls / raises the river without having a made hand of some sort (2p+ from what I've seen)" If this true then value betting TPWK is bad since according to the above he will fold worse and call or raise with better. There is no positive outcome. If the above is really true all a river bet does is open up a spot for him to c/r bluff.
+1
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01-06-2015 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Don't over think this hand. He's a player that is going to tell you when you're beat. A bet on the turn of 35 is fine. If he raises, you fold. On the river, check behind if he checks. If he bets, you'll have a decision to make.
+1, this is my line against floaters with medium strength holdings.
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