1/3 NL 100-500 BI.

V - competent MAWG. Best player at table next to H Table opened 2 hours ago and V was very active early on but has since settled down so not getting too out of line. VPIP/PFR about 35/30 with the occaisional 3! mixed in. Sat down with 500 and has been a little up and down. HHs: V opens EP, two fish call in LP, Flop Q-T-X, V cbets, both fish call, turn blanks, V check folds and aborts mission when fish show interest. V has cbet almost every flop for good sizing. Only mistake H has really seen was when V was HU with fish on K-Q-T-X-A board and didn't go for river value with KJ because a BD flush came in and ended up chopping with fish's AJ. V opened A3s once from MP for 15 straight over 3$ BB. Currently just a hair over 500$.

H - hasn't really played any hands, hasn't gotten out of line, played about 15/12. Should have a very reasonable somewhat tight image. H is on V's immediate left. H barely covers V with about 525$.

Hand:

UTG straddles 6, fish woman calls EP, V calls 6 (unusual) from MP, H opens T T for 25$ from hijack, only fish woman and V call.

Flop (80) - 9 6 5

Fish woman checks, V checks, H bets 60, fish woman folds, V check raises to 175 leaving about 300 behind, H thinks and calls.

Turn (430) - 2

V jams 300, Hero?

Advice on all spots appreciated. What's the weakest hand you would call with here?

There's you're answer, and if I called the flop I can't fold the turn for a three quarter pot all in bet since I would expect him to do that almost always if I called so the decision is otf and based on the previous hand he's probably not bluffing or raising light here, so if the previous hand wasn't bet for value then this hand most likely is.

This is such a bad flop against the ranges of two limp-callers that I’m checking it a high percentage of the time for pot control (then calling a Turn probe and making a decision based on bet size/runout on River.) It’s risky when we have the *worst* overpair—we would check AcAx almost 100% of the time here—but not terrible, especially in a spot where one of the Villains is the next best player at the table.

As played, I think calling the flop x-raise only to fold on a Turn shove is really bad, so I’m sigh-calling and hoping for some sort of combo-draw. But I’m folding to the flop x-raise almost every time (like 90% when I have the Tc and 70% when I don’t), just to avoid that spot on the Turn.


EDIT: that said, this is a really difficult spot, and just calling it off and losing isn’t THAT bad. Sometimes hands are set up in ways you just have to lose (or else you’re just folding too much). Holding an overpair against an aggressive opponent on a draw-heavy board could just be one of those times, rebuy and put it out of your mind.

He has all the good hands, you are flipping vs all of his "bluffs" and I very much doubt he is expecting you to fold an over pair.

Fold flop.

This is a pretty horrendous flop for us, I fold to the CR (and bet smaller OTF because we don’t have nut advantage, only range). Given that you didn’t fold the flop, the turn is the best card in the deck for us other than a T so you pretty much have to call at this point.

First of all, based on the rule of PFR+1BB per limper, I would have raised to 30 pre.

Second of all, the cbet is fine, your TT need protection and you have the Tc for backup equity.

Third, if Villain genuinely raises 30% of his hands, then you can exclude all sets from his range because presumably he would have raised them. Unfortunately that means you can exclude all AcXc hands, but also 78s.

Where that leaves us? I would put his range to 78o, 56 and maybe low KcXc QxC. Whether he has those type of suited Kings and Queens is a crucial question IMO, because there's the difference between a call and a fold. But as is, I am reasonably certain his value range is offsuit 78 and 56.

Fold to the flop raise. Everything else is OK. Could go a little higher pre.

Result:

Lol. LLSNL is the best.

really bad call, but it's good that it worked out for ya

way off if he's pressing buttons like that

i still think folding the flop is best long term. results are irrelevant.

and i bet the flop smaller. checking it some decent % of the time is good too, because i assume you're checking your UI overcards in this spot as well. nothing confuses LLSNL opponents more than checking overpairs.

I actually don’t really hate V’s bluff on the Flop. He recognizes that he has a range advantage*, and I think it’s fine to barrel-shove after he turns additional equity. I would not want to be on a table with him.

*Obviously, if he bluffs this flop EVERY time he hits a piece, he’s bluffing too much. But it’s a not a dumb bluff on its own.

this is why i like checking the flop a good % of the time

obv you can still get in a tough spot on the turn if you get CRd

but its more likely you'll face an easy decision on the turn because a lot of players will lead into you with a wide range on the turn (as opposed to CRing), vs. which you can then snap call.

You mean nut advantage I think.

I don't really get why people aren't calling this off? I'm working on my light calldowns and as I usually play too weak tight. Not sure why V cant have 77, 88, 44, 45, 46, 98, 97, AXcc, etc etc. I would say its far from a obvious fold otf. I guess the argument that makes sense is that even his bluffs have 4-14 outsish and can be 20-50% against my TT, I'm getting 2.75:1 on the flop call though...

He made a fishy limp/call pre and with his stack he's just a button presser, nothing special about him.

Just today I had a very similar hand—raised TcTd in LP after 3 limpers, all 3 called, and we saw an 874cc flop and I just checked it back when they all checked to me….precisely because I was thinking of this thread!

You're welcome, I guess one thought is that you're not really looking for 3 streets here with TT, probably 2 streets of value, so a bet bet check or check bet bet line is best.

Pre with the straddle and the two callers, I'm making it 40.

I like flop bet with this vulnerable hand (agree with one of the posters that AA is much closer to a check) Folding flop raise here most of the time.

Check flop or bet $30
Fold to CR. This is a woman fish. Which Imtakingto mean plays too many hands, gets excited when she hits one.
Fold turn. You are ahead of maybe 20% of hands she plays like this with nogood way of catching up.

More pre, snap turn

He must have had a read on you, but didn't realize you might station. His play wasn't terrible considering most of us would have folded.

It's ok to cbet depending on the other players of course and you had position so you can always pot control later streets or check them back too, but if they start going crazy and check raising the flop big we don't have to continue.

That's what I was thinking too but he would of had to have a very strong read to go broke on a whim like that.

"Fish woman" folded the flop.

I limp from HJ (to evaluate) but that's my style. I'm guessing we're typically going to have to go much larger than $25 to thin the field in a straddled pot with already 2 players interested in it. Although you could argue for an even smaller juicer raise too. So lots of options and I guess just aim for the situation you want.

I would typically bet/fold this flop. If I felt very uncomfortable folding to a check/raise, then I'd just check it back and attempt to get to showdown (but much easier to do with something a lot less vulnerable like AA than a very vulnerable TT).

I don't get to the turn.

Bottom line for me is that I almost never feel committed with one pear when only getting in lol 1/20th of my stack preflop. So if I don't feel committed, then I don't work towards committing postflop (and either fold somewhere versus attempt to play a smaller pot by checking somewhere).

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