1/2 NLH, full ring, Hero ($240) laggish but slow day and not hitting many flops. Villain ($200) is a lagtard, from previous session realized that he likes to be aggro postflop, even when missed the flop. Range probably includes any high suited rag cards, e.g. Ax, Kx, Qx.

Hero in bb with TT raised to $15 and Villain in MP calls.

Flop ($35) Q98
Hero checks, Villain bets $20. Hero calls.

Turn ($75) 2
Hero checks, Villain bets $90?! Hero?

start by betting the flop

your range is face up...I would do the same thing to you. I like villains play.

Really, betting $90 into a $75 pot?

id bet 18-24$ otf, and if ya truly think hes going to be aggro postflop often, then id jam if he raises your bet to 60-90$. you have some fe. villian can possiblly be semi bluffing

Kj,k10,910

check calling the flop oop will always put you in a marginal situation as played so you should bet small for info.

Your check call on the flop shows weakness. Villain could easily see you as weak and do this with a semi bluff or even air. Given his aggro image

Alternatively, Villain has a Q and puts you on a draw, and doesn't want to see a river card. he's betting huge because by donk logic he get's rivered way too much and doesn't want to go to showdown.

betting the flop would have been a much better move.

failing that, I don't mind check calling the flop if you lead out on the turn for about 1/3 pot. Against an Aggro player this could work as a blocker to get us to showdown cheaper, alternatively if he shoves you know you're beat and can release. I don't think he's likely to jam it with air if you're betting into him

Hero is laggish?

Is that another way of saying that hero likes to bet big with nothing and check/call with everything else?

LOL for raising pre against loose post flop player OOP, then slowing the heck way down and wondering if you should call the big bets.

Vs a LAGtard you can't expect to c/c and face tiny bets. If you're in C/C mode, why call the flop and fold the turn? He's a LAG and nothing changed.

IMO the "bet for information" doesn't tell you anything. You're going to find out that he likes to raise flop bets or float flop bets, and you knew that already.

I could make an argument for a check/raise here, or a b/f, or a b/c. I really need to know if this villain is going to bluff his stack, or if he's the type who will make 1 raise and give up.

Also, the turn bet IMO looks weakish because he's betting $90 on the turn leaving like $80 left on the river. He could easily bet $60-70 and shove the turn with any actual value hand.

If you thought you were ahead on the flop, you're still ahead now. If he's mad crazy LAG i probably stack, but don't expect to be super good.

If he's just a good, LAG aggro player I don't know if we can stack ehre.

Good analysis. I'm still having trb thinking these steps through. That turn bet was puzzling.

if i think you fold for 90 but call 60...then yea im overbetting, but im a LAG myself so...maybe you were playing me

Why are you checking the flop with the initiative in the pot being the preflop raiser?
This is one of the better flops you can ask for with 10's, there is only one over and you have a gutshot to the straight.

Are you trying to pot control out of position vs a lagtard? Good luck with that. I would bet flop almost always and if I didn't bet flop I would check raise on the flop or the turn.

Well he clearly doesn't want a call here as is. Whethor that is because he is bluffing or he is one of those players with a weak topair scared of the board/further action I don't know. But I would be more inclined to go with it here. Unless you have a reputation of being a station he wouldn't overbet like this with a "value" hand.

Ok, what would be better on the flop vs this type of Villain, c/r or just cbet?

Almost always standard c-bet.

Pot control pre-flop if you don't have the balls to play for stack or call down light, and hand reading is not your strong suit.

Then at least you might not have to decide if the bets are out of your threshold on turn.

There's no shame in playing passively with TT and as bluff catcher against an aggro player, especially if you are afraid to stack off light.

As played, what is our next move?

+1. It's a pretty great flop for TT. I question our characterization of ourself as laggish when we check this flop...I daresay I'd be willing to bet >80% of my range here (if not far more).

grunch:

bet 25 on the flop.... HU we should be cbetting almost all flops almost all of the time... nobody ever has anything and if they do they raise and we fold.... ez game print the moniez

check-raise all-in. I think you've got him here, but the river might make his hand if he's betting into you with Ace or King high. Put him to a decision versus your very decent hand on the turn.

VS

If we're shoving we're turning our hand into a bluff and not getting value out of the villain potentially barreling on the river with worse. The board is a bit scary but I don't know if that dictates a bluff shove over bluff catching/possibly showing down if he shuts down

Hand is too weak to extract another street of value.

not enough info in OP to really give advice here, but c/c, c/f turn or c/c, never fold may very well be the best line vs this guy. focusing way too hard on the must cbet way of thinking.

dont let donks do your betting for you