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07-10-2014 , 12:02 PM
1-2 at Parx. 8 handed
I've been playing for maybe an hour. Table has been pretty loose passive preflop with most hands ending with a single bet on the flop or turn. Villain in hand has been limping a wide range of hands from early position- 56o and A5s a like. His bet sizing is very weak- You've seen him make one small value bet with an A5 type hand on a Axx rainbow board and than check the turn and river down.

You saw villain play one very strange hand. a few limpers and the SB (a suspected TAG) makes it 16. BB calls, and villain, who limped UTG insta shoves for about 39. Folds SB who reraises to 75. BB thinks about it and folds. You are expecting UTG to show AQ and SB to show AK (or something like that) but UTG shows K9 and SB shows KT Wow so that was surpise on all fronts.

Besides that hand, villain does seem to be playing a more weakish limp fold style. But keep that hand in mind I guess.

Okay- actual hand in question:

Villain limps UTG, UTG +1 limps.

Hero has TT in MP and makes it 12.

Both blinds call, UTG and UTG+1 call.
60 in pot. 5 players.
J83
Checks to Hero who bets 33.

i miscalculated the pot and thought there was 48 in there, so this bet is a little light for me. Normally I'm betting in the 40 range. Reasons for betting:against 4 opponents my tens are good some of the time here and seeing as I haven't seen one check raise yet, I think the odds of my bet getting check raised are slim. Also- If I check the flop through and someone bets the turn, I don't feel like my hand is strong enough for a call so I might as well bet now, and if I get called, try to check the turn and river down

Both blinds fold. UTG insta shoves for about 110 total. UTG+1 folds. Hero ???

well, there goes my hopes that no one will check raise me Is this even close? I'm assuming its a fold. But wanted to hear what you guys think. Considering the table profile, how often do you guys check the flop through here?

TY TY TY

Last edited by examinedexercises; 07-10-2014 at 12:24 PM.
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07-10-2014 , 02:20 PM
Half pot is fine. You don't want to blow the pot up so much that when draws come in you feel like you are committed, or when you get c/r'd like this. Like if you bet pot here and he c/r'd you almost have to call. This is not a board you want to start going crazy on and building a pot. Get value, but control it a little... speaking of value you also get value from some weaker hands with the half size bet. Not sure what your stack size is, I am guessing you cover though? (There may be some argument for checking this flop also. If I think there are some c/r types I may check it back and a) try to pick up some more equity and b) see what they do OTT.)

I fold and don't even really hate life. Dude seems super loose passive. He's probably only doing this with super combo draws which have great equity, but mostly hands that beat you.
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07-10-2014 , 02:45 PM
$17 pre. I'm checking flop
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07-10-2014 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
I fold and don't even really hate life. Dude seems super loose passive. He's probably only doing this with super combo draws which have great equity, but mostly hands that beat you.
It's obvious H is usually beat here ... but if my math holds it's 77 more to win 203, so he only needs 28% equity for a call.

Sets/2p/AJ are obviously in V's range, but so are FDs with two overs and/or the A, and probably some T9's. Add in the occasional A8 plus a random spaz factor and IMO we're close to the 28% threshold, if not past it. (I can speak from experience at Parx 1/2 that I expect to see the NFD an awful lot here when V gets called. Then again, I love bombing AI with sets and top two from OOP in that game for exactly that reason.)

I'd probably fold, but only because my having the T takes away quite a few combo draws V could be playing this fast. But I'm a nit anyway.

Last edited by Mook; 07-10-2014 at 03:18 PM. Reason: typo on the #'s
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07-10-2014 , 03:34 PM
This is a crying call.

We raised preflop and there are just too many villains that will "Put us on AK" and c/r shove ANY underpair on non Ace and non King boards.

Then there are flush draws in V's range

And V has a history of shoving light.

So yeah, this is a crying call I expect to see Jx probably 45% -ish of the time

FWIW, fold is not terrible.
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07-10-2014 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Half pot is fine. You don't want to blow the pot up so much that when draws come in you feel like you are committed, or when you get c/r'd like this. Like if you bet pot here and he c/r'd you almost have to call. This is not a board you want to start going crazy on and building a pot. Get value, but control it a little... speaking of value you also get value from some weaker hands with the half size bet. Not sure what your stack size is, I am guessing you cover though? (There may be some argument for checking this flop also. If I think there are some c/r types I may check it back and a) try to pick up some more equity and b) see what they do OTT.)

I fold and don't even really hate life. Dude seems super loose passive. He's probably only doing this with super combo draws which have great equity, but mostly hands that beat you.
I like your reasoning for the 1/2 pot. Thanks for that!

And yes, Hero covers villain.
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07-10-2014 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
$17 pre. I'm checking flop
Is the plan to c/fold then?
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07-10-2014 , 06:16 PM
The good news with this type of flop is that it is unlikely that any made hand let this check around. At 1/2, people hate being drawn out on and will donk bet to prevent that from happening most of the time. Obviously bet a bit more as you said, but I'll call the raise.
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