Hi everyone this is my first time posting on here so I'll try to make it good.

I live in the Lacey area, so anyone in Washington knows there are only a few local Casinos that play "spread" no limit. I only currently play at Little Creek, and the game usually only runs on Friday/Saturday night.
Otherwise I would have at least an hour drive to the next "spread" game.

So I have a few hands I wanted any input on, there is only 1 I can remember all the details on so I'll post it for now.

So I am in seat 1, villain 1 is to my left, and villain 2 is in seat 10.
I believe my image is pretty tight, half the table here is always regs, and a few of them are pretty good IMO.

Now on Villain 2 He was quite tilted by me and I think he may have just been trying to felt me since. On a hand an hour before this one I held AKo, and he held AQ, I had raised to $15 pre and he called, I check the 5Q7 rainbow flop, he checks back. Turn is a blank and he bets out $30, I tank call, thinking he's just trying to push me off the pot. Then I bink a K on the river and snap call his $40 bet. And say I thought you might have a Q but I really thought you were trying to push me out that's why I called, he rambled a bit and left table for 30min.. So that brings me to this hand,

Stacks are Villian 1 $270, Villain 2 about $500, Hero has $450
Villain 1 is very solid and only playing premiums, but was running bad, and getting out flopped a lot, but not tilted at all. Villain 2 was Stealing a lot of limped pots IP when folded to him. Standard $16 raise. So he was playing probally %40 of hands IMO but he had been getting rivered on some pretty big pots so I think he was playing lag/tilt because of it.


I am on the Button with AA

A random in MP makes it $12, it folds to Villain 2 in seat 10 he calls, I make it $30, villain 1 to my left says "I was gonna do that" then calls, Villain 2 calls, BB folds, OR folds.
Pot=$105

Flop, 665 2 hearts,
Villain 1 bets out $40, Villain 2 calls, Hero calls. Pot=$220
Turn is a 3x
Villain 1 makes it $100, villain 2 makes it $200, POT=$520 what do you do I have about $350 behind ?

So I am putting Villain 1 on an overpair, does villain 2 really call me with A6 suited or something? I can't see him having a 6 here for $30 pre.. just my thinking..

I'd make it a bit more preflop. I like raising the flop as v1 is super likely to have a weak overpair here. On turn I suggest fold.

I am 100% that V1 folds if I raise.

I agree I should have made it like $40-$45 preflop..thanks for response.

Here's the result........

I tanked for probally 4 mins then folded. V1 puts his last $100 in and calls after thinking for a min and telling me "I know you folded a better hand then me" But I have outs, and pot odds, calls with

10,10

River is a 10, he announces "Saved by the Bell" V2 mucks swears he had a 6, I am still pissed he mucked because I don't believe him and he has to show technically.
and V1 scoops a $650 or so pot. Says "I should have made him show" I agreed.

So if I do raise the flop, how much? $150? and what do you do if V2 shoves? obv I'm calling V1's shove..?????

V2 eventually lost all his money, AGAIN on a stupid shove pre to an $18 raise and got called by Q10dd I saw an Ax when he folded, other guy flopped a Q.
think he had over $100 in his stack.

So I know he could have had a 6 against me, but I think he could have been getting creative with me too, knowing I was capable of making big laydowns.
I just really hated having to fold in that spot, of course it turns out It saved me from getting stacked,

more pre and i'd raise otf.

Sounds fine. The guy has lost the pot. Why make him show when he has just been two outered?

It would be pretty rare for him to be bluffing in this spot, 3 handed with a lot of action.

In his bust out hand it sounds like he it his money on good so his shove can't be that bad.

either get it in here or fold. this is one of those spots tha i feel u are ahead enough of the time to just get it in every time, so you dont make bad folds when one guy ha jj and the other 99 etc.

gii so they dont c/f river scare cards ldo

Agreed, if that was the case and he had a 6. Of course I want all the info I can get to help me get that edge and make better decisions..

Overall I think it was a good laydown and I went with my gut, lost the MIN IMO..

Thanks for the input...

Just for fun, a few hands before this I was up to about $495 off $300 buyin.
Next hand after AA, I get KK, flops an A and a Tight reg cr me, I fold face up, I left with $263 at 3:30AM till table broke after being down to around $80 tough grind..

Is there a general rule for getting up when your ahead a certain amount? even if like in this case I was only sitting for 90min and was up $200?

I seem to do this %50 of the time it seems. driving me nutz

I think it was a bit spewy, IMO and a very marginal call by the OR.

I think I saw A10 off....so he had him crushed pre so not to bad...but getting rivered in like 4 or 5 huge pots would tilt the best player..

Don't know how I just edited your quote...?? sorry

How much should we raise on flop? And do we fold to a shove by V2?(has us covered by about $50)

Your bet sizing is all wrong.

I'll assume blinds are raked.

MP raises to $12, CO calls, its $24 to you. Your bet to $30 gives 1.8:1 for the blinds, 3:1 for MP and CO if no one else calls first. Nobody folds in live poker, preflop, for 3:1. And when V1 calls, now everyone is getting 4.8:1 just to see the flop.

Fish suck. They don't know they need implied odds of >10:1 to set mine. They don't know they need implied odds of >15:1 to try with connecting cards. All they know is that there is $60 there and that's huge!!! It's like 3 cases of beer!!!

Your 3B should be much bigger. The only opponent you want to call is the initial raiser from MP. So instead of giving him 3:1 immediately, raise him to $60 and make him pay more -- give him 1.75:1. So what if everyone else folds -- You want them to fold!

But ok... we're here now. So the flop is basically the best flop you could ask for with AA against 2 opponents. What are their ranges?

SB made some speech and called your 3B. He has a hand, but missed the board completely. [Bigger PP (but not likely QQ+), Big Aces, maybe AXs]. He's going to put real money in the pot. What sucks is he doesn't have real money -- he's the short stack.

CO called the open from MP, and then called your 3B. He could have all sorts of stuff that hit this board. [22-JJ, AXs, ATo+, 32s+, 87o-KQo]. Huge range here. Oh, and he has a big stack. This sucks!

Hero is committed against V1, but SHOULD NOT be committed against V2.

At least Hero is in position.

So V1 leads out for just under 1/2 pot. And V2 calls. V2's flat call here, with you left to act (given preflop action) is VERY STRONG! This is a very bad spot for AA.

To be honest, effective stacks between V2 and Hero make this a fold IMHO. I'm not real keen about losing 150BB with AA as played.

But if stacks were smaller (say 125BB or less), I would say R/C the flop. After V2 calls the $40, pot is now $185, with $380 effective between V2 and Hero. I would raise to $140.

If V1 calls, then we have to snap shove any raise by V2. If V1 folds to our raise (very unlikely), we have to think very hard about folding to V2.

If Hero had made his preflop action bigger, the flop action would be a trivial shove with AA and 1 PSB left.

Ok, that makes a lot of sense, but it wasn't $24 to me it was $12 preflop just to clarify to pot odds.

I had a little error in the order, the original raiser from MP made it $12 V2 calls, I make it $30(which was to small) and V1 calls, MP the OR folds...

So in this case I should be making my 3bet about $60 pre?

Thanks for the input, I wasn't close to folding to V1's donk bet on the flop and I actually put him on a PP, but V2's range I know was pretty wide here and when he flats he could be floating but I was a bit worried, esp how he'd been playing a lot of pots. I thought maybe a big suited AX and on a flush draw, when he just calls on the flop.

So what if V2 has QQ>KK? here do we ever get it in if we raise the flop bet and get shoved on? Is it gonna be a snap call ever? or insta fold? I assume that the answer would be different if the preflop 3bet was $60vs$30? because that would polarize his range to KK QQ maybe AKs if he's calling $60 pre right?