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06-30-2015 , 11:39 AM

shkd

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I am in The bb.
My Stack about 300
Fish Stack about 200
1/2
3limpers SB completes
I Check in The BB with K6
Flop: Th6s6h pot:10€
I lead with 5€
2 callers
Turn: Ad
I lead for 10€
Fish Raise to 30€
Hero????

I give him in his Range A6 / 65 / 64 / 67 / 68
The raise scares me a little to reraise and get it in. I know there is a flush draw out but my question is why passive fish don't raise flop. He raised the A like it was maybe a boat.
I am pretty sure he has no draw. This kind of player don't play draws like that.

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06-30-2015 , 11:44 AM

mikko

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Playing for stacks here always. He is a fish. Fish don't fold trips. Kick it back to $90. Jam river

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06-30-2015 , 11:49 AM

shkd

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Originally Posted by mikko

Playing for stacks here always. He is a fish. Fish don't fold trips. Kick it back to $90. Jam river

Damn misplayed it then ... Lost 100bucks value

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I called the turn raise.
River was a blank I think a 9.
Bettet for value 50... He called with 64

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06-30-2015 , 12:00 PM

Panama Ed

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Our small bets otf and ott may have provoked a raise from some players. I think we should bet a minimum of 10 otf, and continue to build a big pot ott.
A better description of the villain would be helpful-Is he a calling station or the type to overvalue one pair?

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06-30-2015 , 12:07 PM

shkd

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Originally Posted by Panama Ed

There is no big history: limps a lot / don't raise / checks a lot / folds a lot / that's my impression. Doesn't like to put his chips on the middle without nuts - that are more generative assumption. It wasn't that I saw something like overvalue one pair. But also open limps with 57o for example

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06-30-2015 , 12:22 PM

au4all

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He could have had a boat. But look at his range overall, if he's limping a bunch of 6x hands, then most of them are worse than yours.

Lots of people overvalue trips/weak kicker.

Most of the hands that the ace improves like AT, are still behind you.

Once you've thought about his range, the next step is to ask yourself if he plays for stacks in a limped pot with AT or 64. If not, raising the turn would've cost you 50 dollars.

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06-30-2015 , 03:20 PM

shkd

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If we raise and V goes all in we snap call I assume ? On turn I mean

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06-30-2015 , 03:22 PM

au4all

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Originally Posted by shkd

If we raise and V goes all in we snap call I assume ? On turn I mean

In general if there's a wide range of worse hands (6x/AT) that someone could be value-betting then folding is a mistake.

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06-30-2015 , 04:24 PM

AsianNit

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Originally Posted by mikko

Playing for stacks here always. He is a fish. Fish don't fold trips. Kick it back to $90. Jam river

Some fish don't fold trips, but some of those fish never raise with trips because they slow-play then get scared that they only get action of outkicked or against a boat.

Step one is reviewing past hands in your head to see if he fits the profile of someone who plays that way or if you can rule it out.

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06-30-2015 , 05:20 PM

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Panama Ed

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Originally Posted by shkd

Okay this gives us a much better idea of where we are at. Fortunately he will have all kinds of random suited sixes in his range in addition to his combos of AT, so we are ahead of a large portion of his value range. I think we should try to build a big pot against this player in this spot. If we find that we are beat we can just reload.

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06-30-2015 , 05:52 PM

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iraisetoomuch

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Pot the flop.
3/4 pot ott
3/4 pot otr

As played 3bet the turn, shove the river

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