After the 3d came out on the turn, I bet $40.00, and the villain calls. The Qh comes out on the river. There is now $136.00 in the pot. Check? Bet/Fold? Check/Fold? CR? Check/Call any bet?

Leading out on the flop here is super standard. Not really much more to add than that. I would bet/bet and b/f on the river given the queen at the end.

My 2 cent...

Check initially, don't see villain calling with worst which makes betting out of the question.

And if villain bets out then do we call or fold? Looking at the facts we have: Villain limped pre, called your c/r and called your bet. So I feel its unlikely you are up against a busted flush draw. So I guess it comes down to whether villain called your c/r and turn bet with a TP or an 8-x.

From my experience I lean towards the latter since villains that call c/r usually have something more than a TP.

The only advantage to betting river is to get 8x to fold, in which case you should jam. Given our line, I don't think that works very often.

Here, villain could show up with something like Q9s or QT, but given his line I think 8x or busted FD is more likely. C/c here.

Bet/call, donk would be my line

id prob b/c as well for like $50. I think he'll have the Axs flush draw sometimes and could possibly call you with Ace high. if he raises he most likely has the Qx

Why are you B/C if he most likely has Qx when he raises?

You could b/c trying to induce a shove with range merge. Villain would maybe put you on 8x and possibly think he could move you off hand (thinking blocker bet) but I think that makes Villain less likely to bluff with FD. Additionally, he could think you're holding a Q and just trying to give him odds to call with less - making Villain less likely to act.

If I had the busted FD and a value bet came my way, unless I had good reads, I think I'd be even less inclined to bluff at this pot.

typo. b/f not b/c

Villain is never bluffing the river here with a busted draw.

If villain has 8x, isn't he raising at some point before the river if he's half-competent? A club is either a scare card for him or action killer if hero has a Q. Either way, he needs to get value before the river if he has the case 8.

I might be able to c/c for >90 if villain can ever show up here with an 8.

You think Villain hangs on that hard with Qx? Also pre with most playable Qx hands he more often than not raises mp limper. Maybe overlimps with Q9s.

Our play is strong and he could be holding 8x (ie 87) and putting us on 8x+ (ie A8).

Just going with the information in the OP on the villain which is that he seems vaguely aware. In that case, sure, villain can easily get married to his Q. And, yes, he could have an 8 as well. I can't put him on any range that makes me excited about betting the river when nothing we beat calls and nothing that beats us folds. Like I said, I'll c/c for those times when he can show up here with 8x.

No offense, Kowboykiller, but i think you've been reading too much too fast on the boards. That phrase doesn't even mean anything to most live $1/2 villains, much less does the logic work.

And yes, most $1/2 V's do hang on that hard with Qx and do overlimp up to and sometimes including AQs. Don't FPS yourself to death.

None taken. I had to reference FPS lol.

Maybe it doesn't register as such, but it could minimally suggest weakness as a blocker bet - which I think most live villains can appreciate. Either way I still prefer c/c.

Yeah, you'll sometimes get some fish hanging on, but - especially as we've played it here in a mwp - we've fairly clearly shown we're strong and I think some Qx fold ott.

What would you do?

With how weak hero played this hand, it's difficult to assign range to villain.

Here are the results:

I checked on the river. The villain bet only $40.00 (could this have been a ?suck bet?). I called (getting over 4:1). The villain showed:

98 off suit.

AP, I prob c/soul read. I expect that if he bets, we are chopping at best, so I'm prob not calling more than a 1/2, maybe 2/3 PSB here.

I think we really needed to bet out on the flop, but I don't want to beat that dead horse anymore...

Yes, I realize now. I should have bet on the flop. Thanks for the advice and comments.

+1

Based on range? What's your reasoning?

Based on how often we have to be Good or Chopping for the call to be profitable. As the bet size goes up, so must our winning percentage, to make up for the extra cost. There's very little dead money in this pot, so we are getting about 3-1 on a half pot bet. That means we have to be good over 25% of the time for the call to be profitable. Since there is so much chop in V's range, we can "profitably" call a bigger bet than we might otherwise iot deny letting our equity become dead money, but calling a PSB *hoping* to chop seems like spew, IMO.

As played by villain, this is a snap call, of course. We don't want to re-open the betting if we sense weakness, because he may be attempting us to induce, but there is no way we are folding for these odds.

Anyone else think it's rather poetic that the river was a Q after c/r the flop, thereby playing the hand face-up? No offense to OP, but c/r that flop is what I expect from the overwhelming majority of 1/2 and 2/5 donks.

Obviously.

Advising a c/r is horrible. Your reason for c/r is far worse. You have over 2100 posts in only 4 months. Perhaps it would be best if you spend more time reading.

Just checking. Agreed, except I think 2:1 is +EV.

Dayum. How about facebook stats?

ilikecalidonks is a pretty bad poster.

if u did the opposite of what he says, you're off to a great start.