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04-29-2011 , 03:39 AM
Game is 6-handed, $1/$2. Villain has $650, hero covers. Hero is up around 4 buyins and is crushing table with a hot run of cards (AA 4 times in one hour and max value each time) and some good calls. Villain is a friend with some extensive history. Has a tendency to make failed hero-calls against me but has recently told me he's never hero-calling my over-bet jams again.
Hero is seated on villain's right and has been 3-betting super-light against villain. Villain has since been flatting 3-bets quite light.

Hero in BB, villain in SB. Limper in MP, villain bets $7, hero raises to $28 with 88 (though my hand is largely irrelevant post-flop). Folds to villain who calls.

Flop: KJ2 (pot: $58)

Villain bets $40. Hero calls. At this point villain's range includes suited broadways, K-Xs and random air. Plan is to essentially float the flop and take it away on the turn.

Turn: J (pot: $138)

Villain bets $60. Hero raises to $190. Villain tank-calls.
I felt the J was a very good card for my intentions as I could quite credibly represent a J, however villain's call is definitely a cause for concern.

River: J (pot: $518)

Villain checks. Hero??
The river was not so great as now i am repping a very thing range if i decide to shove. Also, villain is sophisticated enough to know i may have AK and if he has a K, that an all-in may be to get him off a chop. Is this an obvious place to just check it down and give up on any bluff intentions? (quite sure my fullhouse is not good here). If we do decide to turn our hand into a bluff to move him off a K, what bet-size do i make and what can i credibly represent?
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04-29-2011 , 04:12 AM
Betting here is suicide, no way you rep quads, its also highly unlikely villain cold calls your reraise without King or Jack which would be sick thinking.
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04-29-2011 , 04:12 AM
Check and give up.

You are not going to get anyone off a K in this spot.

There are only two better hands in your range: quad J's and pocket aces.

Good luck repping those in 1/2.
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04-29-2011 , 04:14 AM
you're a fish OP





fold flop, dezek won't be bluffing when he donks in a 3b pot
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04-29-2011 , 04:22 AM
also

[ ] triple barrel
[ ] credibly rep a J

and

[ ] limper in MP (i would have been MP)


I hope dezr comes across this thread with additional needles
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04-29-2011 , 04:32 AM
[x] 100% success rate in bluffs against you

[x] dezeks tank-call, confirmed slow-roll.

But yeah, so once villain calls turn, is he comiitted to pot?
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04-29-2011 , 04:34 AM
I like how only dezek and me took maney. The f do
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04-29-2011 , 04:35 AM
[ ] Confirmed triple-barrel

[X] Just a c/c moment
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04-29-2011 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DanielKim
[x] 100% success rate in bluffs against you

[x] dezeks tank-call, confirmed slow-roll.

But yeah, so once villain calls turn, is he comiitted to pot?
lol fair enough, i concede

it's not about whether villain is pot committed, it's whether you would conceivably take a line like this with Jx bearing in mind that you 3bet pre (do you have a lot of Jx in your 3b range? does villain think you would?)
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04-29-2011 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DanielKim
Game is 6-handed, $1/$2. Villain has $650, hero covers. Hero is up around 4 buyins and is crushing table with a hot run of cards (AA 4 times in one hour and max value each time) and some good calls. Villain is a friend with some extensive history. Has a tendency to make failed hero-calls against me but has recently told me he's never hero-calling my over-bet jams again.
Hero is seated on villain's right and has been 3-betting super-light against villain. Villain has since been flatting 3-bets quite light.

Hero in BB, villain in SB. Limper in MP, villain bets $7, hero raises to $28 with 88 (though my hand is largely irrelevant post-flop). Folds to villain who calls.

Flop: KJ2 (pot: $58)

Villain bets $40. Hero calls. At this point villain's range includes suited broadways, K-Xs and random air. Plan is to essentially float the flop and take it away on the turn.

Turn: J (pot: $138)

Villain bets $60. Hero raises to $190. Villain tank-calls.
I felt the J was a very good card for my intentions as I could quite credibly represent a J, however villain's call is definitely a cause for concern.

River: J (pot: $518)

Villain checks. Hero??
The river was not so great as now i am repping a very thing range if i decide to shove. Also, villain is sophisticated enough to know i may have AK and if he has a K, that an all-in may be to get him off a chop. Is this an obvious place to just check it down and give up on any bluff intentions? (quite sure my fullhouse is not good here). If we do decide to turn our hand into a bluff to move him off a K, what bet-size do i make and what can i credibly represent?



This starts off bad with the 3 bet. Then it falls off the chart after that.
Just know that the entire thought process is wacked from the time the cards were dealt.

Then go back and re-think your every thought and what you are trying to accomplish and "realistically" what the perceived ranges are.
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04-29-2011 , 04:49 AM
Yeah, J-x makes up a fair bit of my 3b range here; blinds vs blinds, and my line is probably consistent with a J, however folding the 2nd nut boat here is obviously nearly impossible. Do you think villain will check a K to me to induce bluff tho? (i like how we're calling dezek a villain)
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04-29-2011 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DanielKim
Yeah, J-x makes up a fair bit of my 3b range here; blinds vs blinds, and my line is probably consistent with a J, however folding the 2nd nut boat here is obviously nearly impossible. Do you think villain will check a K to me to induce bluff tho? (i like how we're calling dezek a villain)
I don't think villain will perceive your 3b range to have Jx in it (certainly not your value 3b range, and as for your bluff 3b range he probably expects you to have SCs and Ax/Kx blockers imo).

Villain checks his entire range OTR to you once you raise turn and he calls, i dunno why you think he wouldn't. Bear in mind that his range is clearly Kx or Jx, and that once he calls your turn raise and sees arguably the best card in the deck for his range, if he folds OTR that would make his turn call really really bad given the dynamic of you rarely giving up on your bluffs (in big pots). and villain prob does think along these lines fwiw.
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04-29-2011 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DanielKim
Yeah, J-x makes up a fair bit of my 3b range here; blinds vs blinds, and my line is probably consistent with a J, however folding the 2nd nut boat here is obviously nearly impossible. Do you think villain will check a K to me to induce bluff tho? (i like how we're calling dezek a villain)

Ahhh, you could bet 300 into 100 and about every live player calls with Kx.

OP, there are quite a few fundamental rules broken in this hand. Without going into a book about it, just quit trying to make people fold full houses. Any kind.
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04-29-2011 , 06:30 AM
ZEEBO'S THEOREM BRAH

ship the nickels imo
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04-29-2011 , 06:35 AM
Search 'Zeebo's Theorem'
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04-29-2011 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dezr
ZEEBO'S THEOREM BRAH

ship the nickels imo
Lol at ur pic (i dont like how i dont recognise who the random korean chick is)

And this thread was half a troll:L indeed, the nickels were shipped
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04-29-2011 , 09:37 AM
some might say my life for IU

certainly not me though

i like how this was posted as 1/2.

OT: fold pre imo
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04-29-2011 , 01:19 PM
Don't 3bet pre, fold flop, turn is prob -EV unless villain is a nit. River bluff is real bad. Repping a J would be a shove, but you're also getting paid every time you have a J.
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