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03-23-2015 , 07:05 AM

Jyzz

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live 2/4 Brisbane

hero: TAG soulcrusher
villain: young asian new to table

nit reg limps EP, hero limps A6s from HJ, villain limps CO, decent reg checks big blind

flop AcAx9c
check check hero bets $15, villain calls, BB makes it $35, nit reg flats, hero flats, CO flats ($156)

turn Jx
check check, hero bets 80, villain jams for 260, fold fold

what do?
Edit title: call to chop at best?

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03-23-2015 , 07:41 AM

Dutchstreetfish

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No. You think V is making this play with A8 or worse? A9+ has you crushed.
Keep in mind CO flat called your flop bet, flat called the BB's flop check raise and now is raising your turn bet. He clearly has something. Whether it's 9s full, Js full, aces full or just a bigger ace, you're way behind too often to stack off.

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03-23-2015 , 07:47 AM

samangr

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We need to call 180 to win 158 at best. From the pot odds side of it I would fold
I we have more info on villain we could put him on a range.

If he is a nit he could have limped AJ or 99 from CO or even AK and AQ
A hand that makes more sense is A9. Your hand looks like an ace and I guess you cover him. If he does not want a scare flush card on the river he shoves now.

I think its a crying fold

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03-23-2015 , 07:50 AM

jesse123

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With one limper (especially a nit) A6s is a raise or fold from the CO.

I'd just check the turn on such a dry board after the flop c/r and 2 V's in. Someone's got an ace and A6 has experienced some serious shrinkage.

As played, pretty simple fold after the all-in.

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03-23-2015 , 08:35 AM

oldsilver

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was the table super aggro to this point? need very specific reads that V is out of line before committing this with a 6 kicker.

i think your flop line is fine but as soon as it's raised in a MW pot just put the brakes on and try to get to showdown.

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03-23-2015 , 09:07 AM

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by Jyzz

hero: TAG soulcrusher

you're not crushing any souls by the way you played the hand...

raise pre, and when the nit flats the min check raise on the flop I'm going bye-bye

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03-23-2015 , 07:07 PM

Jyzz

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on the turn i thought SB had the other ace and he put the brakes on. i think its mandatory bet to get value from FDs. which i suspect nit reg had

my problem is what hands is villain repping? so many of full house hands play much differently preflop and likely on flop too
but does he ever jam with worse?

putting villain on a range of Ax+ and getting 1.5:1 (after chopping) i still think its a standard call against a random donk?

any thoughts?

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03-23-2015 , 09:17 PM

oldsilver

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Originally Posted by Jyzz

putting villain on a range of Ax+ and getting 1.5:1 (after chopping) i still think its a standard call against a random donk?

any thoughts?

nah, i think once V goes that hard ott that his range is heavily biased towards better Ax and fullhouses.

his raise otf isn't too out of the ordinary btw. rec players don't expect you to bet trips otf (which is precisely why i like doing it), so he's merging with JJ. then he spikes the turn and does exactly what he should do with dumb luck.

so see my post above. lead is fine otf. try to get to cheap showdown against other Ax or worse. bail out when the hand gets huge. or just spike a A/9/6 river.

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03-23-2015 , 10:18 PM

ironmikee

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Fold. U r behind 100% time. Forget abt 99, JJ, u cant beat any Ax.

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03-26-2015 , 03:32 AM

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Alexandar

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stack sizes? nit reg isnt a nit if hes calling to chase a fd on a paired board esp w/ that action.
you are never good, fold.
BB has you outkicked.
nh, soulcrusher

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03-26-2015 , 08:33 AM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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the odds are 2.7:1, not 1.5:1 as stated in thread

if Vs range can be as wide as {JJ, 99, A5+} it's a break even call.

if V will spazz with any A, you have a 5% overlay. if he could spazz with a club draw it's a call

still not sure it's worth it though because he probably isnt that wide.

Last edited by johnny_on_the_spot; 03-26-2015 at 08:38 AM.

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