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02-07-2021 , 09:30 PM

tmo1120

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eff stack is 250 between me and the SB

Hero with A

to 12 from UTG ,

3 calls, F: J92(ccc) (50), i cbet 25 and only the SB calls

T:3os, (100) , SB checks , Hero?

Do i continue betting and set up a triple barrel to try and get his JX to fold on brick rivers? Or is X'ing back the play here bc we can get jammed on and blown off our equity sometimes by betting here? also i was thinking we could get value sometimes from a hand like K

, but i'm not sure which way i should lean towards

thanks in advance for any feedback

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02-07-2021 , 09:49 PM

javi

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bet turn, you're not folding if you get jammed on, if river bricks bombs away

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02-07-2021 , 10:00 PM

tmo1120

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Originally Posted by javi

bet turn, you're not folding if you get jammed on, if river bricks bombs away

I'd be getting roughly 2 to 1 if jammed on ott and my opponent's range will most likely be 2p,sets, and made flushes so i don't have anywhere close to 33% equity vs this range, i don't think he would just spaz out with QJ

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02-07-2021 , 10:14 PM

javi

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V would not flat the flop with 2p/set/flush, unlikely to have hit turn, and realistically live players absolutely will jam when they feel committed.

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02-07-2021 , 10:36 PM

tmo1120

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Originally Posted by javi

V would not flat the flop with 2p/set/flush, unlikely to have hit turn, and realistically live players absolutely will jam when they feel committed.

I don't disagree that Players will tend to fast play these hands on the flop a good amount of the time

lets say i bet 45 ott ...and V jams... how do you range him here?

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02-08-2021 , 01:04 AM

javi

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Something stupid. QT/89/J8. Live players love to get it in with draws because it ensures they win a big pot if they hit. These players will look at their hand and pre-emptively pot commit themselves. "Welp, I know I'm never folding so might as well get it in now"

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02-08-2021 , 05:51 AM

jdr0317

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Good spot to bet 65 on the turn and jam any river. We have lots of equity against anything that’s not a flush and nice cards to bluff with.

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02-08-2021 , 08:43 AM

Viral25

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Flop sizing is problematic: 1/2 pot is almost always the worst sizing. Multiway on a static board should mostly be a small/tiny bet, like $12, so we can get some more money in vs wide calling ranges and floats, before our inevitable turn bomb. Either that or just blast off for $75 to get max folds and simplify every upcoming decision.

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lets say i bet 45 ott...

Don't.
Either check or bet $120. Nothing that beats us is going to fold for $45. And we actually have reasonable SDV when it goes x/x. If we bet 120, we get to put max pressure on, and sometimes actually save money when villain just flats and we miss the river.

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02-08-2021 , 09:15 AM

tmo1120

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[QUOTE=Viral25;56899600]Flop sizing is problematic: 1/2 pot is almost always the worst sizing. Multiway on a static board should mostly be a small/tiny bet, like $12, so we can get some more money in vs wide calling ranges and floats, before our inevitable turn bomb. Either that or just blast off for $75 to get max folds and simplify every upcoming decision.

static board?? this is literally the opposite of a static board, it is monotone and somewhat connected as well

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02-08-2021 , 09:24 AM

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tmo1120

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Originally Posted by javi

I see what you're sayin , i was kinda hoping this would be the range they would jam with but i think that this is way to optimistic looking back on it bc i could have over pairs, made flushes, AJ/KJ.. i think they are calling a lot with these hands and x/f'ing the river

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02-08-2021 , 09:26 AM

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tmo1120

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Good spot to bet 65 on the turn and jam any river. We have lots of equity against anything that’s not a flush and nice cards to bluff with.

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this was my plan , however i bet 45 OTT and he jams for about 170 more giving me a price of roughly 2 to 1; and i just tilt called off really quickly out of frustration lol but i don't think i ever have 33% equity there and i think its actually a pretty easy fold looking back , i don't want to be results oriented bc i ran into 22 here but it feels like a losing call

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