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03-17-2011 , 07:54 PM
1-2 live NL have been sitting for about two orbits and have about my original buy-in in front of $200. Villain plays pretty bad, over plays medium aces and almost always leads out with any pair

Folded around to villain in HJ who raises to 15. CO folds, hero is OTB with AKo and calls. Blinds fold.

Flop A 2 6 rainbow Pot- $33
Villain checks, hero bets $25, Villain calls

Turn A 2 6 3 rainbow Pot- $83
Villain leds out for 30, has about another $80 behind. Hero shoves.

From the top, I smoothed pre b/c villain played pretty bad and wanted to take a flop in position with him. Flop is pretty standard. Decided to shove the turn b/c he frequently overplayed hands like A10, AJ so I definitely thought I was ahead of his range. In hind sight, I think I really should have payed more attention to his flop check which screamed strength given I had seen him lead out with every single pair. Thought on anything is appreciated.
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03-17-2011 , 08:12 PM
With his low stack size, and likelihood that he never has more than 3 outs to beat us if we're ahead, checking back the flop is fine for deceptive purposes. You can get his whole stack in 2 streets.

It is also good if you think his check represents air a lot (since he "almost always leads out with any pair"), let him hit something and make some $. We're not worried about pot-controlling with this dynamic and I don't think you have to automatically assume his check is nuts. If you're almost positive his check represents strength, strength can easily be Ax. 3betting/calling pre is also a viable option against this player/with stack sizes.

As played, it's fine. He isn't floating the flop OOP with his stack size so there's no reason to think you have to flat the turn to keep airballs in, and if he plays a pair weaker than Ax like 65 or 77-KK like this, flatting the turn is going to look stronger than shoving (your range will be wider than his taking this line + shoving turn.)

There's no way you're getting away so don't beat yourself up if he had like A6 or 66. You're definitely ahead of his range and he shouldn't put you on as strong as AK with your flat pre.

Last edited by canoodles; 03-17-2011 at 08:19 PM.
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03-17-2011 , 08:15 PM
Given reads and stacks everything seems fine and standard.
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03-17-2011 , 09:21 PM
If you shove the turn then why didn't you shove pf?
Why give them free cards and wait for the turn to shove?
Go ahead and lose your stack to me. Man, I love you guys that lose stacks with AK. That pays my bills. Thank you Jesus!

Che,
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03-18-2011 , 12:29 AM
What's his preflop raising range here OP? It's kind of important.

Last edited by JustinJude; 03-18-2011 at 12:43 AM.
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03-18-2011 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by always_tilting
If you shove the turn then why didn't you shove pf?
Why give them free cards and wait for the turn to shove?
Go ahead and lose your stack to me. Man, I love you guys that lose stacks with AK. That pays my bills. Thank you Jesus!

Che,
HUH? Are you being sarcastic or do you just have no clue what your talking about? Uh ok, next.....


As for his pre range it would be pretty wide from the HJ but given the amount of the raise I would limit it to any PP, and A10 or higher. He generally raised suited connectors and smaller aces to about $6.
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03-18-2011 , 03:35 AM
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As for his pre range it would be pretty wide from the HJ but given the amount of the raise I would limit it to any PP, and A10 or higher.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

Board: Ac 2d 3h 6s

Hand 0: 41.845% {AA, 66, 33-22, ATs+, AJo+}
Hand 1: 58.155% {AKo}

Folding against this range is a losing play.

Okay, he turns up with sets and stuff here sometimes but folding would be a losing play against this guy if he over values AX.

Nh.
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03-18-2011 , 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by always_tilting
If you shove the turn then why didn't you shove pf?
Why give them free cards and wait for the turn to shove?
Go ahead and lose your stack to me. Man, I love you guys that lose stacks with AK. That pays my bills. Thank you Jesus!

Che,
and you have never stacked of with AK?
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03-18-2011 , 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by always_tilting
If you shove the turn then why didn't you shove pf?
Why give them free cards and wait for the turn to shove?
Go ahead and lose your stack to me. Man, I love you guys that lose stacks with AK. That pays my bills. Thank you Jesus!

Che,
LOL...not sure everyone gets it, but this is awesome.
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03-19-2011 , 02:20 AM
Standard but would have prob 3bet fwiw, as played is fine
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03-19-2011 , 04:27 AM
Played fine IMO.

You're never getting away from this given:

- Stack sizes
- Raised preflop
- Villain's image
- Guys with 75bb stacks don't raise 7.5xbb that often with 66, 22, A6
- Our hand still has equity for the times he has A2s for bottom 2 pr

Just get it in and reload if we're wrong. You'll make money here long term.

I prefer a call preflop on the button with these stack sizes against a guy who overvalues Ax. 3-betting it is going to shut out A2-AQ and win us a tiny pot while any better hand will force us to commit.

Last edited by Nogyong; 03-19-2011 at 04:33 AM.
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