I feel this is a close spot and wanted to get some feedback......5/10 full table

Villan 1 - Solid/tight regular - haven't played a ton, but hes younger and seems to play well.

Villan 2 - Spewy fish, been stuck for like 7 hours from what others have told me, and hes calling every raise pre/donating postflop.

Villan 1 opens UTG to 50, it folds to me in the SB I elect to call with AsQc, Villan 2 in BB calls. I have 2k, villan 1 covers, fish has roughly 800.

Flop Qs4s2d (150)

Fish leads out for 200 - Villan 1 thinks and makes it 500 I fold.

Logic - UTG's opening range here I feel is pretty tight - maybe KQo+,88+,ATo+ - with that said I came up with the following pokerstove

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22,770 games 0.001 secs 22,770,000 games/sec

Board: Qs 4s 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.464% 39.80% 12.66% 9063 2883.00 { AsQc }
Hand 1: 47.536% 34.87% 12.66% 7941 2883.00 { KK+, AQs, KQs, AQo, KQo }

Another issue is I'm not 100% sure he plays KQ this way - if you take out KQ combos, my equity shoots down to 33.8%.....Another note is Villan 2 we'll be way ahead of - I think he'll have worse Qx,bluffs,spades - basically a wide range that we dominate - too lazy to stove vs his given range......

What do you guys think? If he's not playing KQ combos this way I think its a clear fold, but if he is, I think this is very close.

He's prolly not playing KQ like this. If he's any good he's gonna have a showdown hand against a spewy fish who is repping a Q/draw. Plus, the fish should significantly tighten utg's opening range. He shouldn't be opening sc/small pp much with a short stack donator playing every pot. If he thinks you'll snap fold a Q it's a little closer, but shrug fold seems good. I think with a big draw/set he would flat.

really close....i definitely think he can play KQ like this, and if you flat the 500 he's gonna freeze up with just about everything, so maybe flat and don't put any more $ in? meh, all our options suck here but I probably flat the 500.

Depending on table flow, he could also raise a little pocket like 44, 22.
Also in my eyes a set is also possible.

I make my call controlled by Villain 1's reads. If u think he is not that aggressive, overplays hes hands(which could be also a benefit), is not a tricky player and most likely he is gonna freeze up if u flat, go for the flat. Consider that u have also card removal effect, third gives u NFD and slows him down and u got position. (There is also a little chance that he plays something like 55 - JJ and goes for a r/f against the spewy fish)

But i also like the fold. There are definetly better, more comfortable spots to play.

maybe this is best considering he'll never get in worse OTT? I think OTT assuming the flush draw bricks he's going to ship AQo+,QQ+,KQss and check back worse.

really felt he was the type to not raise 44/22 so I eliminated those combos and random flush draws from his range

Good fold, and fold pre. oop vs. a tight raise utg is not going to leave you very much room for profit.

Are we really going to flat 25% of our stack versus a shorty (who is likely to shove) and then fold later?? That makes no sense to me (although you guys are better than me, so I am open to being convinced). Seems to me that we should fold or commit and I hate committing.

+1

although I don't fold AQ much esp live because 1) players are terribad 2) AQ is hard to pick up when you're getting 30 hands/hr.

I prob fold this unless I see that fish in bb was going to call

It's so depressing to think that this might be a fold pre, but maybe it is .

It's a fold pre without the short fish to protect you. With the fish I don't think villain will be able to abuse you often.

I think it's a fold pre (maybe, ) because he opened UTG and has the button. I really wish the fish was behind him.

ya, thought we had position here for some reason.....i think i fold pre, and dont tell anyone

ya we are flipping to his opening range, but how does the fish factor in? He's calling every hand preflop and spewing post - not sure if this will negate the fact that we're OOP here. And yea, when your seeing 25 hands an hour, folding AQo makes me want to jump into oncoming traffic

Fold pre? We are missing important info. What has been the standard open on the table and do you have any bet size history with him.

tbh I dont remember exact sizings but I remember the 200/500 OTF......I don't think his sizing pre was anything to raise alarm that he didn't have a balanced opening range here(balanced meaning the range I came up with)

I tried to construct a range in where we are OK against V1 (plus V2 likely to be in there with any 2Spades, or many Qx hands), on the flop, could not come up with one. I doubt the "solid tight" regular is raising UTG with KQoff, and he can't have KQS, because the QS came on the flop. Against a likely range I actually came up with about 27% for you.

And call me a nit but my least favorite hand OOP is AQoff, specially against an any two player right behind me followed by a "solid tight regular" who raised in EP.

Good fold IMO.