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Tough Spot w/ second nuts Tough Spot w/ second nuts

08-10-2010 , 02:19 PM
Villian 1 is in SB and very solid player probably 20 years old that had built up a large stack at the table.
1/2 NLH
Hero Straddles $4 at start of hand

Folds to SB Villian 1 ($800) who calls the straddle
BB villian 2 ($200) calls straddle
Hero ($180) sees 10d7d and checks straddle

Flop($12):9h 2s 3c
Villian1 checks
Villian 2 checks
Hero Checks

Turn ($12) 9h 2s 3c 8d
Villian 1 checks
Villian 2 checks
Hero bets $7
Villian 1 calls $7
Villian 2 folds

River($26) 9h 2s 3c 8d js
Villian 1 bets $10
Hero raises to $35
Villian 1 thinks for over a minute and goes all in


With $45 invested and $135 behind, do i call this all in with second nuts? Also, would it have been wrong to smooth call the river?

I will post results later
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08-10-2010 , 02:39 PM
I'm not a fan of straddling.
As played, I bet turn larger-at least pot size.
It's hard to belive V1 has QT. You describe him as "very solid player" so I would think he might raise your straddle w/QT if it's its folded to him in SB preflop. Also hard to believe he would call your turn bet w/QT. Raise on river by you was fine. I call his allin, he can be slowplaying a set(badly) or have 2 pair.
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08-10-2010 , 03:14 PM
So, $135 to call a $106 pot

Little shocked he puts a pot sized check raise in there. But I call and do not like it.

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Really, does he have a set of jacks? No, would have bet it before.

Over pair? Would have bet it before.

Any other set there? I doubt it with only check calls.

Split pot? Distinct possibility. (four combos)

QT? Distinct possibility. (twelve combos), called turn with gutter and two overs.

Is it some weird two pair? If it is, it is 9j, maybe 8j or 89 (but that would have been bet earlier) nine combos of each for 27 combos.

If we can put him on a one gapper for a a straight, we have to put him on a one gapper for 2P also. I doubt these would be played that aggressively, so these need to be discounted also.

He might have complete air, depending on what he thinks of you. As most of the powerful hands that were listed above could fold here. Hell, you can reasonably consider folding second nutz, so all the others could too.

I almost talk myself out of the call here now. But I know I am curious george sometimes, and I would call and not like it. I would put it down in my notes as a $135 marginal decision (I look to break even on marginal decisions)
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08-10-2010 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Redsaddict

I will post results later
You already did in your title.

He's not bet/3bet shoving the river with two pair and he probably didn't play a set like that. Pretty easy fold seeing how he's going to have QT here a majority of the time the way the hand played out.
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08-10-2010 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by crsseyed
I'm not a fan of straddling.
Nit Nit Nit Nit NIT.


Quote:
Originally Posted by crsseyed
You describe him as "very solid player" so I would think he might raise your straddle w/QT if it's its folded to him in SB preflop. Also hard to believe he would call your turn bet w/QT.
I don't think its unreasonable to complete the SB with QT. Since SB is OOP for the rest of the hand raising there would put you in tough spots. This is also not online so people don't mind being a little more passive.

I doubt its a slow-played set since I would think that would lead turn to build pot. Its def believable that QT called the turn since he has 2 overs and gut shot.


By the way - you have T7 - its suited, its connected, diamonds are pretty, almost everyone folded and you're guaranteed position post... I raise this to 17 pre.
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08-10-2010 , 03:48 PM
Any more reads than "very solid"? Is he aggressive?

Hero's line is fine IMO (though I bet 9~10 into 12 on the turn). I fairly happily call the river shove and reload if we're wrong.

Part of my reason for calling is that villain is up by a large amount and probably does not like being reraised. He may have two pair and probably thinks we also have some type of two pair but he doesn't know whether he has the best hand. So rather than calling he decides to shove because he thinks our raising range on the river is much much wider than our calling range. He basically thinks the only hand we can possibly call with is QT whereas thereare a whole bunch of TPTK or two pair hands we could be raising with here.

Either that or he has QT.
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08-10-2010 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
Nit Nit Nit Nit NIT.
Guilty as charged, at 1/2............

Of course he can show up w/QT here, but if he's a good player he's making a mistake calling turn. It looks like 10 outs but alot of those are discounted. He can make top pair and still lose to 2 pair or a straight.
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08-10-2010 , 03:58 PM
He did say that if I had bet 2 more on the turn that he'd be out
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08-10-2010 , 04:20 PM
^^ sounds like you lost.
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08-10-2010 , 04:59 PM
if OP's description of villain is correct (solid) then yes OP lost. Villain always has Q10 here (or at least 10-7). There is no way he played any other hand this way. If he did then OP needs to change his description of villain.
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08-11-2010 , 12:04 PM
yup i made the call and he had q10
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