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04-25-2023 , 01:03 AM
2/5 around $850 effective with main Villain (TAG, doesn't seem to spew often but definitely capable of bluffing)

Hero opens $20 UTG with KcQd
Main villain on direct left calls, UTG+2 calls, and BB calls

Pot ~$80 Flop KdJc6d

Hero bets $40, all 3 call

Pot ~240

Turn 8s

Hero bets $150, Villain jams $800 and folds to Hero

Hero...?

Last edited by zoxuri1994; 04-25-2023 at 01:18 AM.
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04-25-2023 , 01:07 AM
You seem to have top 2 and an easy call.
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04-25-2023 , 01:14 AM
Sorry it's KJ6 not KQ6, typo lol now edited
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04-25-2023 , 01:15 AM
Easy fold, if he was semi bluffing he would’ve started on the flop. He has 2 players behind him too.
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04-25-2023 , 01:37 AM
EDIT, I read original post saying you had KQ and had top 2.

I think we can just ditch this hand. I don't think it is even worth half pot on flop and then 3/4 pot on turn into 3 players. I would start with check call on flop. At least we have 2 pair and sets to call down villain.

Last edited by Mlark; 04-25-2023 at 01:43 AM.
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04-25-2023 , 01:44 AM
I don’t have much history with Villain, only second time playing with him. He’s been fairly tight and straight forward from what I’ve seen.

Won’t semi bluffs usually raise the flop? Jamming turn on a brick seems weird. Calling off when my best case scenario is a chop doesn’t seem ideal either.
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04-25-2023 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
EDIT, I read original post saying you had KQ and had top 2.

I think we can just ditch this hand. I don't think it is even worth half pot on flop and then 3/4 pot on turn into 3 players. I would start with check call on flop. At least we have 2 pair and sets to call down villain.
Ah gotcha. Hm interesting, are you check calling flop to pot control? It’s a pretty wet board and I think we can get a lot of value/protection by betting this flop and brick turn.
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04-25-2023 , 02:09 AM
Preflop, UTG, I am folding KQo, unless only six players were dealt in and I am in the lowjack..

As played preflop, with four players seeing the flop, I want more strength before I c-bet for value, and I am hardly ever bluffing into a crowd. I would check. If I am betting at all, I am betting small, something like $20-25. (Why bet small in multiway pots? Because the field has the nut advantage.)

As played on the flop, I am checking the turn and evaluating. I am probably calling or even overcalling a modest bet.

Having led out large on the turn and facing a jam, I would fold. This is not a tough spot. This is a very easy fold. It only seems tough because we put too much money in on the flop and turn.
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04-25-2023 , 07:06 AM
We overplayed our hand here and it cost us $150. As played, fold.


Agree with above. I'd open KQo at a very low frequency UTG (could easily never open and be fine) in full ring game.



Flop.....tough. We are OOP in a 4 way pot. Our hand isn't extremely strong. Checking would be completely fine. Betting I can get along with as well.



Once all 3 call.....we are now in get to showdown cheap mode. Check call. We'd be perfectly fine with this hand checking through on turn and river and taking the $240.





Study up on multiway pots. You'll print money checking turns like this.
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04-25-2023 , 08:22 AM
Seems like an easy fold.

Seems like a good player would know that it Would be bad to shove all in against the field with a draw

I would fold and not blink twice

OOP it’s probably better to check call and pray no draws get there on river is action checks thru

Easy value better on river Id blank comes
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04-25-2023 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by zoxuri1994
Ah gotcha. Hm interesting, are you check calling flop to pot control? It’s a pretty wet board and I think we can get a lot of value/protection by betting this flop and brick turn.
Yes, I am probably check calling flop. If you do bet it, I would go small, like quarter pot. It is way different when you are multiway than when you are heads up. My value betting range is more likely to start at KJ and have 66 and JJ. KK is for trapping because you block top pair.

After you bet flop half pot on the flop and get called by 3, then bet turn for 75% pot, when you get called, your hand is basically a bluff catcher by the river, and the pot has become very bloated.

If you check and flop checks through, then you can value bet on turn. If you check and villain bets, you have a bet call. But you might have a fold by the river racing multiple barrels.
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04-25-2023 , 12:05 PM
I am not opening this UTG, I'm not c-betting into three players on this flop, I'm not betting turn after all three call me, and I'm snap folding now.
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04-25-2023 , 12:11 PM
Thanks for all the responses and insight, seems like I definitely overplayed my hand multi-way. I was thinking more in terms of hands that have me beat on the turn, as villain shouldn’t have KK, JJ, 88. KJ would probably raise the flop with two players behind as well.

I guess it just comes down to that I’m beat but I have no idea what villain has.
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04-25-2023 , 12:21 PM
Villain can easily have KJ,66. JJ is also fairly reasonable.

He doesn't have to fast play with so many other players in the pot. He can handle some additional callers, or hope someone else raises with a draw.
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04-25-2023 , 12:32 PM
standard fold, and I also check the turn.

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Originally Posted by zoxuri1994

I guess it just comes down to that I’m beat but I have no idea what villain has.
One thing that helped me in the beginning was thinking about what the villain thinks I have, and most villains know I can easily have AK, but he's still jamming, so he probably has two pair+ (even if he only has AK we're still beat).
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