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12-31-2010 , 02:49 PM
1/2 200 at Greektown in Detroit

stacks are 160 eff, i cover all but one in this hand

3 limps to me, CO with 1010, raise to $12, end with with 3 callers including primary V in BB.

Flop ($50) is 436 check, check i bet $40 with on player behind, he folds (only one covering my stack), BB calls and MP folds

Turn ($90) 9 BB shoves for $70

No real reads on BB hadn't shown down a hand but I had only been at the table for about 30 mins, maybe 2 orbits.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Last edited by venice10; 12-31-2010 at 07:09 PM. Reason: Results are unimportant for the discussion
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12-31-2010 , 03:00 PM
The problem I have is that his line doesn't make too much sense for a flush. He has less that a PSB left and shoves on the turn with a big made hand? Possible but he has to be pretty dumb and eager to get his money in to use that line.

We're getting 2.2 to 1, and have up to 11 outs if we're beaten. If he has a worse hand than ours some 15% to 20% of the time we're in good shape with the bet. Having seen the results it's obvious that he fulfills this requirement, but, in the moment, you have to make those assertions yourself.

It's more fun if you give us everything you know about him (what he looks like, how he bet the last $70, etc.) and let us try to figure it out than spoil the results, I'd say.
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12-31-2010 , 03:20 PM
Raise more pre - I'd make it 15 here with 3 limpers in front of me.

C-betting flop is good, and I like the sizing, charging a draw-heavy flop.

As far as turn... you only need to be good here 1 in 3 times, but I doubt you are. So many flushes, sets, and 2 pair in live villain's range (lol I has 69).

Last edited by venice10; 12-31-2010 at 07:10 PM. Reason: No results
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12-31-2010 , 04:03 PM
Don't post results in your first post or you'll get bad responses.

Last edited by venice10; 12-31-2010 at 07:10 PM. Reason: Good Advice
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12-31-2010 , 06:20 PM
I haven't looked at your results.

First off, I say this all the time on here, RAISE MORE PRE!!! In 1/2NL most tables don't even care about 3xBB or 4xBB type raises. I often will raise $15 - $25 in 1/2NL and I establish that as my 'normal' raising range. After 3 or 4 raises, the tables accepts it and starts calling me and then I slowly increase my raise amounts from $15, to $18, to $20, and I walk them all the way up to $25 before the session is over.

In this spot, I easily make it $20 and you will get 1 or 2 callers guaranteed.

As played, I liked the flop bet, turn sucks but I call. I seriously doubt any villain has a set. You bet $40 on flop and most sets c/r flop because of the flush draw so I'm not overly worried about the set.

Unfortunately, you didn't really give us any villain profiles. Some villains shove made flushes (fish) while thinking players value bet them. Then again, villain only had $70 behind so a shove in this spot isn't terrible by any stretch. ( assume he only had $70 behind because you said 'shove' and not bet, shoves usually indicate allin, again better setup/description on your part would be helpful)

As played and if villain is all-in here, I call.
Villain could easily make this play with AJ type hands
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12-31-2010 , 07:50 PM
Have not looked at the results.

I'd raise to $17 PF since there is $9 of dead $ in already.

Strong flop bet, bad turn card. I think a made hand (flush) is c-c or c-r despite the short stack. Your line has been strong and if they put you on an over pr, in most cases you will fire again, if only to see where you stand. I'd make the call.

Agree with others on providing as much info on the V as possible.
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12-31-2010 , 07:55 PM
I think he's mostly got a flush, but a few times will have A4 or A6, or even 88 or 77. I'd call.
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01-01-2011 , 10:37 AM
as far as V's physical actions he slid his entire stack in without saying all-in but announcing "70". Any observations on what that may mean as opposed to people saying "all-in" or just being silent?
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01-01-2011 , 11:29 AM
Raise more pre.

The turn is pretty much even money IMO. A fold isn't bad, calling isn't bad either.

I probably call and gladly flip over my cards because I personally don't mind making my opponents think that I'm happy to get all my chips in with marginal holdings.
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