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Tough spot with 2 pair. Tough spot with 2 pair.

04-26-2022 , 12:07 PM
1-2 NL Holdem 7 handed.

V1, is a 40 something skinny white guy. he has been playing Extremely tight. Has about 400 in front. cutoff.

v2, V3, V4, all standard middle aged white guy calling stations. V2 is UTH and V3 and V4 UTG+1 and UTG+2

hero has 300 on the button.

OTTH

v2 straddles to 5.

V3 and v4 both call.

V1 calls.

hero is on the button with Ac 9c and decides odds are proper and calls.

Blinds fold.

($28)

Flop comes A-K-4 rainbow

All villains check to hero

Hero bets 20.00

All villains fold except villain 1 calls.

$(68)
Turn card is a 9d.

V1 checks and Hero bets out $50.

villain check raises to $150

hero?
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04-26-2022 , 12:36 PM
I check flop most of the time, and if I bet, it is much smaller. We are in a WA/WB situation here, and a bet really only targets worse aces and some Ks. If your other Vs are bad enough to call a 2/3 pot bet with that stuff, go ahead, but realize you'll also sometimes be value cutting yourself against better aces if they are that LP.

AP, easy (though very annoying) fold. C/C followed by c/r from a tight player is basically always a set. When it's not, it's 2p, and the only 2p you're beating is A4. Very occasionally you're folding a chop here, or to AdXd that picked up a FD, but this is massively likely to be a set.
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04-26-2022 , 01:05 PM
The tight players in my game can beat A9.
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04-26-2022 , 02:54 PM
It's good you took the flop pre, that's fine, since in 1/2 with players that match the descriptions of your villains they often limp/call AJ, AQ and even AK (they believe it's a drawing hand).

As played he's probably got AK min., or a set
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04-26-2022 , 04:03 PM
Only really lose to one hand but he's prob got that one hand lol. I prob stack off anyway since he could have A4, A9, or a random spaz but yeah you'll prob be shown a set of 4's a bunch.
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04-26-2022 , 04:21 PM
I would raise pre pretty often here but if they are limping tight ranges then just limping is fine.

Definitely fold turn. Let’s say he has A4s, 44, 99 and A9s you are a 2:1 underdog. He might have like literally one bluff combo but he might also not raise A4s and could have AK if he’s that tight pre.
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04-26-2022 , 04:30 PM
None of us have played with the player so that leaves some of the judgement of you but here are the questions that I would ask. Is villain completely uncapped preflop? What does his range look like after calling a flop bet? What does his value x/r range look like on the turn? Does he have any bluffs? If you determine that he is raising for value with A4 then we have to call and if you think that there are any bluffs we have to call.
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04-26-2022 , 04:36 PM
Thinking about this a little bit more there aren't really many combos of A4s. If villain limps with A4o we can make a call but there are only 1/2 combos of A4s left. Probably a fold if he has 0 bluffs.
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04-26-2022 , 11:05 PM
If the table is sticky, I'll just call preflop, as you did. However, my preferred play with a mid-suited Ace, on the button, is to raise multiple players a PSB (after accounting for the drop). So, probably $25.

As played, the default plan is to check the flop, as was suggested. However, betting is just fine as far as I'm concerned. I'm OK with the amount. That said, the default plan would be to bet the flop and check the turn.

Now, when the only action you get is from a tight player, alarm bells should be going off. I'm definitely going to be watching for any live reads.

What range of hands will a tight player call you with on an AK4r board that he wouldn't raise with preflop?

AA & KK? Maybe, but probably not. AK? Yup, see it frequently from casual players. A4 & 44? Yup. But would a tight player call A4, suited or not?

Now, if it was a loose player, the JT/QT, and mid-pocket pairs should be included. But you described him as tight.

Do this sort of thinking enough and it becomes semi-automatic.

Also, and there will be disagreements here, if you bet anyway and he raised, look for live tells! Casual players have a lot of them.

I think you ran into a set of 4's (70%), or AK(30%).
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04-27-2022 , 04:29 AM
Preflop I consider raising if you think you have any fold equity, probably not raising if we just get a bloated 5 way pot out of it.

I xb flop, this is a great spot to pick off bluffs or value town people who now think 2nd or 3rd pair is ahead.

If villain is really very tight preflop he should have exactly A4s and 44 in his range when raising the turn. How aggressive is he postflop? If you haven't seen him raise ever then you can simply fold because he has 44 only. If however he thinks 2 pair is the nuts and he can have A4o here, this is a snap call.
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