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Tough river decision in deep stacked against a reg Tough river decision in deep stacked against a reg

12-12-2023 , 12:50 AM
Live $2/$5 game. Villain is a tough reg on the hero's left. Hero just picked off his bluff with a weak top pair 30 minutes ago when Villain raised pf and bet 3 all streets.

Hero (BB): ~$2800
Villain(Straddle): ~$4000

Villain straddled to $10
Folded to button who limped in.
Hero in BB raised to $45 with AsKh. Villain and Button called. 3 ways to the flop

Flop Kd 2s 4d. Hero c bet $90, Villain called.

Turn 8s, double flush board. Hero continued with a $200 bet and Villian called as well.

River off suit 5. Both flush draw missed. Normally Hero would take a check call line, but Hero decided to bet out $450, kind of a value/blockish bet to target weaker Kings, as well as non believing mid pairs. Also didn't want to check and underrepresent the strength of the hand and face an overbet by the opponent.

Villain tanked for 1 minute and shoved. Hero had around 2k left. ?????



Obviously not getting the best odds to call off with one pair. However, there weren't a lot of hands that the Villain would take this line with, especially on the river. Ad3d or maybe 6d7d(less likely) were probably the most logical hands, calling in position with a combo draw and hoping to hit and stake the hero with such deep stacks. Not entirely sure if a set of 4s or even a set of 2s would take this line either. On the other hand, Hero definitely has the range advantage here, being the preflop aggressor oop, with all the Aces, AKs, and set of Kings at this spot. Being able to shove overpot on the river in position, facing a lot of aggression from the pf raiser, seem quite strong to me. Although on the other hand there arent a lot of value hands that Villain could have either.

For bluffs, I guess small suited Ace or 3d5d make sense. I believe the Villain would likely 3bet maybe A10, AJ and AQ from the straddle preflop. Not sure if our history played a part in this hand too, although I opt against stacking off so many bbs on a single pair at the end and folded.

Any thoughts and kind insights would be much appreciated!
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12-12-2023 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyfreakingchan

AK on K2485

Not entirely sure if a set of 4s or even a set of 2s would take this line either. On the other hand, Hero definitely has the range advantage here, being the preflop aggressor oop, with all the Aces, AKs, and set of Kings at this spot.
Nah. Depending on how good V is I think he can do this with all sets and maybe even all two pair.

H has the one pair advantage, but I doubt you cbet KK on the flop and you don't have any two pairs. So 88 is about the only thing he's worried about.


I would bet less on the flop, or even check sometimes.

Obv. check river is obvious.
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12-12-2023 , 11:07 AM
45 pre this deep, OOP with a straddle and a limp is alil too small I would raise to like 65.

I'm also betting less otf OOP vs a tough opponent, and I'm folding the river as played (I would also be checking the turn or river) You raised from the blinds and bet/bet/bet he should be thinking you're at the top of your range there, he's looking to get paid from AK or AA imo.
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12-12-2023 , 11:29 AM
This deep and out of position, you can/should raise bigger preflop, ~60 would say.

I like the bets on flop and turn.
Against a weak player you might go bigger ott, but against a tough reg probably not.

OTR, I would mix c/c and b/f, depending also on V's tendencies.
As played, your size on the river is quite big for a blocking bet imo, looks much more like a value bet.

Kind of annoying spot but a pretty clear fold to V's raise.
I would need very specific reasons to stack off 280bb with just TPTK.
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12-12-2023 , 02:15 PM
Agree with what's been written, basically. Go bigger pre, flop is OK, but maybe a bit too big. Turn is a bit big, too. I do not bet river -- it's a check/call.

Please put pot size on each street in future hands.
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12-19-2023 , 05:52 PM
Depends a lot on how bluffy the opponent is. He has much more stronger hands in your range than you. I would not make that bet on the river against a good player that is capable of going on the top with nothing because you have very few value hands in your range. I dont neccesarily believe he has it since most value hands are raising the turn, but im still folding as played. A much better line would be to check call river. Everything until then is ok
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12-19-2023 , 06:55 PM
Welcome to the forum. You played it fine until the river. Yes, raise a little more preflop. I’m fine with a 2/3 pot flop bet. The pros on 2+2 advise smaller flop bets multiway. I like the turn bet. TPTK is a mediocre hand on the river. You’re only getting called by better.

Do post pot sizes. You’ll get more responses if you do.
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12-19-2023 , 07:21 PM
I'm raising bigger pre OOP. At least $50, if not $60.

Depending on whether it's HU or if both V's call, I'm probably going bigger on the flop, like full pot. I want to get this HU and put max pressure on draws. I want to narrow V's range down to worse Kx, 99-QQ, and some nut flush draws or nut combo draws.

Assuming it's HU going to the turn, I'm over-betting pot on turn. If V called pre and flop with 88, or flopped a set and slow-played it, he's getting paid.

With that line, the river shouldn't change much, unless V was calling with one of the combos that rivers a straight or 2P, which he shouldn't be doing when we take larger bet sizing on flop and turn.

As played on flop and turn, I'm checking river, planning to call a reasonable-sized bet, but if we bet and face this jam, with As or Ad in our hand, it's just a fold.

I think with any AK combo here, it's probably a fold most of the time, but I think the As is especially bad for us to have. AXdd might have put in some raises on the flop, but AXss is going to just flat-call flop, and continue on turn.

I'd think his main bluffs would be A5dd or A5ss, which we block with the As. It's just hard to think he'd be turning anything into a bluff here, when we have AA/KK/AK/KQ in our range. This is most likely A3ss/A3dd or 67ss/67dd.
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12-20-2023 , 10:05 AM
Regardless that you block one nut flush draw, villain called from the straddle and could have lots of suited cards, so all sorts of busted flush draws with two flush draws missing. Seems like an easy check and usually call on the river. You could get called by TT/99/A8s or something, but that doesn't make it a bet. You probably have to fold as played, but doesn't seem like a good spot to bet/fold.
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12-20-2023 , 02:28 PM
ck flop

ck river
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12-20-2023 , 02:35 PM
You did nothing wrong he just out played you it looks like a lose lose scenario
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12-20-2023 , 04:06 PM
Worst position multiway in a deep-stack situation? Why are we leading out so big? Why are we leading out at all?
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12-20-2023 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Worst position multiway in a deep-stack situation? Why are we leading out so big? Why are we leading out at all?
I hadn't thought about checking the flop. You hit it hard, and it looks great for the preflop raiser. Definitely too many bets in there somewhere though.
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12-21-2023 , 04:01 AM
I’d be looking to x/c vs aggros / keeping their range wide and letting them bluff missed draws. I’d take b/f line vs more passive villains who mostly always have it when they raise river.

As played fold.

If we were considering bluff catching here we’d def want to unblock the NFD.

I like villain’s shove here.
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