1/2 game and table has only been open for 30 min. I am mid 40s WG that looks like a guy on vacation. Villain is 70ish WG. No hands yet but we did have a brief conversation about how tight we were. I said something to the effect of he doesn't look like much of a bluffer either after giving my standard one liner, "I only bluff in November."

No comments about me being a DBag please.

V ($120) limps in mid position.
H ($200) raises to $16 in CO with AQ. V calls.

Flop is QJ4 rainbow. ($34) Checks to me and I bet $26. V calls.
Turn is J. ($86) check, check (I guess I thought pot control and only getting 2 streets at best).
River is a 2. V shoves for 80ish.

Hero?

My first thought was I wish I would have bet the turn, not sure if it would've been correct play but I could have gotten the money in without much stress. Second thought was he is just never bluffing here.

From an OMC who called a 3/4PSB otf, I think this is a fold.

Sure, every once in a while he'll show a bluff and say, "sorry, my month to bluff is April," but I expect to see trips+ here 80% of the time.

Against an old guy I can understand a fold. Probably the right move on a PSB river donk AI. That being said I probably call. I'm sticky like that I need to the J before I give him credit for it. Most J's I'd expect to bet smaller. But, against an old guy, a fold can't be that bad. Basically I think calling/folding is neutral EV.

Sorry, should have asked in my post...what about my turn decision?

Is the spr low enough to plan on getting it in?

Could use some more information about how to range this guy preflop. How many hands is he playing?

Close, but I think it's probably a call. I do expect him to bluff here if he has KT or T9, for example. If we give him AJ, KJ and JT (not QJ as I expect a c/r on flop) and then give him all KT but only suited T9, we have almost 50% equity here.

And the turn checkback is good. If you expect him to bluff missed draws OTR, it's best to check and allow him to do that rather than betting him off his hand now. OTOH, if you don't expect him to bluff missed draws, it's right to check back there too since you can fold the river in that case.

Turn check is fine/standard.

I'm calling river. I've seen old guys with a tight image bluff missed draws or second pairs many times to understand that they know what their image is for the most part and will use that to their advantage in certain spots.

I don't think he had really played a hand yet at all. He seemed a little distracted by when he and his buddy were heading to the senior buffet. I guess this would be a big OMC alarm bell but he was super relaxed tho and we had actually played in the same "home" games but not at the same time. (He was from the area I used to live). Got the button idea he played a lot and was just killing time. Didn't seem like he was too concerned about the game or how anyone was playing. I only noted this because his buddy was pretty much the opposite.

I think you play in much more aggro games than average, if you expect OMCs to bluff missed draws without reads. I would expect the opposite. I don't mind the checkback with the board pairing though. If we were deeper, I'd be bet/folding for value, but we obv aren't b/f this shallow. By checking back we deleverage and should be able to get wider calls OTR.

Again with the "your game must be way more aggro than average" comment. Why do we expect an OMC to c/r QJ on pretty dry board? SPR is only 3:1, so he should have no trouble GII with QJ over multiple streets if we have anything, and a c/r often blows us off of hands he would get at least one more bet out of later. Similarly, there is absolutely no way I give an OMC 100% of his busted SD combos in his range to donk shove river on a paired board. I might give him 4 combos of busted draw.

I'd range him more like a couple combos of Qx turning themselves in to a bluff (though I would't be surprised if he thought the shove was for value), JT,JQ,JK, about half the AJ combos (I think he often opens those instead of limping), and 4 combos of busted draw bluff, giving us about 20% equity.

Appreciate the comments..

Tank folded and like the big dummy I am I showed. He showed KT.

I really think I set myself up with my table talk.

That this guy is an OMC is your invention, he's not characterized that way in OP.

Edit: I'd actually say it's a defining feature of OMCs that they don't have conversations with fellow players about how poker should be played.

For the record I think if put in this river spot, like 95+% of players bluff with KT or T9, even OMCs. It's a hand that can't possibly win at showdown, up against an opponent who showed weakness on the turn. If an opponent doesn't bluff there, then we're talking about an opponent who literally never bluffs, not ever. This guy's lack of aggression actually manifested itself as a failure to make the obvious flop semibluff x/r.

I think this is a bizarre post btw. You're talking about OMCs and then discussing their thought process like they are actual people who think about things. "He should have no trouble GII with QJ over multiple streets if we have anything, and a c/r often blows us off of hands he would get at least one more bet out of later" is a thought process miles beyond an OMC. Actual thought process: I HAZ TOP TWO PAIR, RAIZ.

Bet turn. Why slow down with TPTK? J is not a bad turn card for us but not enough to slow down. We can always check back river if we decide to only go for 2 streets of value. Even though OMC-type players play passive-tight and tend to bet with nutted hands, I still find they call light. Target his KQ, KT, Q9 etc.

As played, river is a tough. Some days I fold, but I marginally lean towards calling, our hand is under-repped and our turn check has made us look weak. OMCs don't usually bluff, yes, but they are still fish and will do wild things - this is poker! If they were THAT straight laced that they would never do anything but bet with the nuts, they wouldn't find themselves in a casino playing poker

point is.. every now and then they will overbet KQ thinking they have you (especially after your turn check) or do a wild "bluff" so they get that rush and feel that they're playing poker (what they came to do).

^ Typo, sorry for double post, meant that J *is* a bad turn card for us but still don't think it is enough for us to slow down when we hit on a QJx flop with AQ.

Late to this party, but I'll just add one thing: with your stack size, I think you're committed to getting stacks in with TPTK on this flop. Your turn decision is then simple: you either bet turn (either all-in or $50, leaving a trivial river bet) to get value from smaller Qs, or you check turn to induce river action. If you check turn, you have to plan on calling his river bet.

I think checking the turn is only fine if (1) you expect your opponent will lay down hands like Q10 to a second barrel on the turn, but will call a river bet with this hands once you've checked behind, or (2) you expect this will induce a bluff from K10/109 on missed rivers.