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05-23-2011 , 04:33 AM
Hero has been a nice heater, running $300 up to $600 in the span of 1 hour or so. Eff. stacks: $275.

Villain 1 is an older guy probably about my age. Solid.

Villain 2 recently changed seats and has been a little card dead and vociferous about it.

Hero looks down at AhKd and raises to $11 in MP. Villain 1 calls in LP and Villain 2 says something like 'I'm going to make a bad call here' and calls.

Flop comes Ad 7c 5c. Hero bets $34. Villain 1 raises to $70 and villain 2 goes all-in for $74. Hero ... tanks ... and calls.

Turn is a 3c. Hero checks and villain sticks out $75. Hero ... tanks ... sizes up the remainder of villain's stack at $125ish ... and folds.

River is a K. Hero pukes a little.

Thought process here: I put Villain 1 on a set or two pair ... Villain 2 I put on a weak ace.

I was pretty sure I was beaten by Villain 1 and perhaps drawing dead.

Too tight to fold here for $75?
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05-23-2011 , 04:53 AM
no good fold. unless Vil is really good but fromt he description its unlikely, or Vils is super bad which might be.
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05-23-2011 , 06:55 AM
The 3c really doesn't scare me too much. He raised you on the flop.. Seems odd for a flush draw but.. maybe... Let's just say he has two pair.. what's your equity against that... hmm according to poker stove... not good lol..

Yeah - this one is close. You need 22.7% equity to call... If you think your beat here more than 4 out of 5 times you can fold. So ok. I can find a fold here. It's close either way though. There is still the river and you will lose 100 out of 100 times if he goes puts in $125 and you fold so... yeah - let it go but I think the math is pretty close. Hard to adjust the ranges based on your post. To much unknown.
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05-23-2011 , 07:54 AM
Pretty good fold imo. Yeah he'll show up with AK/AQ here sometimes but this is 2p or a flushdraw that got there much much more often.
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05-23-2011 , 12:40 PM
Nodody else here who doesn't like the flop call??
Villian raises you to 70 with about 200 left so you have to decide if you want to call for stacks or not. If you think he raises you only with made hands you have to fold, if you think he raises you with fds or oesds, too, go allin.
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05-23-2011 , 12:56 PM
If V1 is a solid player, I'm very concerned about his small raise on the flop. Looks to me like a set, or something like A K/Q/J I don't buy two pair simply because I have a hard time seeing a solid calling with A7,A5, or especially 75 pre.
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05-23-2011 , 12:57 PM
Solid is not much of a description. What is his call for mini-raising the flop. We need that before deciding anything else.
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05-23-2011 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Metroid
Nodody else here who doesn't like the flop call??
Villian raises you to 70 with about 200 left so you have to decide if you want to call for stacks or not. If you think he raises you only with made hands you have to fold, if you think he raises you with fds or oesds, too, go allin.
I agee. in generally i think its very bad to flat most 3-bets OOP. It should typically be 4-bet or fold especially <100 bb stacks. Flat calling OOP also will to often will put your range face up, causing you to be out manuevered on a number of turn, river cards.
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05-23-2011 , 01:44 PM
Is V1 capable of minraising with a weak ace to fold out all non-aces in your range? If not appears like V1 has a set or 2pair and puts you on AK-AQ.

I find a fold on the flop unless V1 is very aggressive.
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05-23-2011 , 01:53 PM
I think flop call is bad.
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05-23-2011 , 04:39 PM
Fold flop? Really? Even if v shows us A7 this is still a breakeven call getting 7 to 1
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05-23-2011 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dimi06
Fold flop? Really? Even if v shows us A7 this is still a breakeven call getting 7 to 1
Yeah, really. There are two villains all in here are there not? I don't think I've ever posted a level. What outs do you really envision here? There are three kings left and one of those kings is the Kc. It's not even clear if the king is any good.

So yeah I think even at 7 to 1 that is bad. Maybe that view is pessimistic, but that's how I see it when passive people come alive.

How do you argue that 7 to 1 is good? I'm interested to hear.
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05-23-2011 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by impressed
Yeah, really. There are two villains all in here are there not? I don't think I've ever posted a level. What outs do you really envision here? There are three kings left and one of those kings is the Kc. It's not even clear if the king is any good.

So yeah I think even at 7 to 1 that is bad. Maybe that view is pessimistic, but that's how I see it when passive people come alive.

How do you argue that 7 to 1 is good? I'm interested to hear.
No, just one villain is all-in.
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05-23-2011 , 06:29 PM
We crush the shortstackers range here. The other villain hasn't exactly come alive yet...he minraised us. His range here is still somewhat wide and deff has aq aj type hands seeing where he's at. We will win this hand much more often than 1 out of 8 times here imo.
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05-23-2011 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ddiggitynate
I agee. in generally i think its very bad to flat most 3-bets OOP. It should typically be 4-bet or fold especially <100 bb stacks. Flat calling OOP also will to often will put your range face up, causing you to be out manuevered on a number of turn, river cards.
+1
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05-23-2011 , 07:00 PM
This wasn't a 3bet pot and there's plenty of situations where flatting a raise postflop is fine. Tbis is one of them imo
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