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07-01-2015 , 03:53 PM

cantor1987

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,621

Hand played out around 3-4 weeks ago so will be as accurate as poss

Hero in CO around 300 BB deep
Villain1 EP (can't remember stack size but pretty sure he wasn't deep)
Villain 2 in BB has me covered sat around 400bb deep

Villain 1 limps
Hero raises to $10 with A

Bb calls
EP calls

Flop AJT with T of spades
Bb donks around 20
EP folds
Hero makes it 60
BB repops to around 180
Hero?

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07-01-2015 , 03:57 PM

cantor1987

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,621

line from villains don't bet and also as played appreciated

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07-01-2015 , 04:04 PM

sungar78

old hand

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,201

I fold. You see people bust here against KQ all the time.

Your hand is the 5th nut on this board. Do you really want to gamble that these raises got put in w the 6th nut or worse?

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07-01-2015 , 04:06 PM

Benat

journeyman

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 307

I mean this is very villain dependent (you have any reads on him). As a default barring reads this deep I'm giiving him credit for a very nutty range and laying it down. I mean we could call evaluate but the only cards that make us feel comfortable is an A or a J if he continues to fire (which most villains I encounter are) it's gonna be a bad spot.

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07-01-2015 , 05:41 PM

RAHZero

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,706

At this stack depth I actually prefer flatting this flop, since even though you flopped a strong hand in absolute terms (top two), your relative hand strength is pretty bad if you end up getting in 300 BBs. With no reads this is probably a spot that I often flat the flop and re-evaluate the turn in position, even though it's honestly probably best to just fold to the flop 3-bet.

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07-01-2015 , 05:45 PM

wj94

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7,972

I would just call flop, don't like the raise. Snap folding to the 4b, if he had a worse hand that's fine, but I'm not stacking off 300bb with two pair in a single raised pot on a straight connected board. V has KQ here like 85% of the time and has you beat 95% of the time.

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07-01-2015 , 05:56 PM

Panama Ed

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 131

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Originally Posted by wj94

and the other 5% of the time he will have AT and spike a ten on us!

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07-01-2015 , 06:18 PM

cantor1987

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,621

Yeah it was my flop line I wasn't particular sure about, I folded which I'm fairly happy about even though I showed villian as I mucked and he showed me ATo, I didn't have many reads to be honest apart from he'd donked a flop of k6xdd into my and another villains kt and my middle set but I didn't see his cards as both stacks went in on the flop.
Looking back now I defo think just calling villains donk and keeping the pot under control at these stack sizes and playing turns where I could pick up more equity with the back door nut flush draw in position the optimal play.
Thanks everyone

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