$2/5 live game

Hero: $420
Villian: $1,000

Villian, in big blind is the table maniac making very loose calls and rarely laying anything down post flop. He's been very lucky and has doubled up twice as a result in last hour.

Hero, tight image, raises to $15 with KK. Button, SB and BB all call. Flop: K97. Checked to Villian who bets $45 into $60 pot.

Hero reraises all in for $360 more into $105 pot.

I put him on Ad with a draw and figured I was going to get a call. I debated a raise to find out if he was drawing or had the goods but my read told me to shove.

Id prob minraise and fold if he shoves (aka had the goods)

Edit: Wouldn't mind checking to see if he has the goods pre also.

-Mike

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You raise is too big. If he has some goods, he couldn't call. He can only call some very good goods. You should follow mperich's advice, min raise to see if he has the goods or not, and if he has it, fold to the reraise all in.

I'm not ever folding here to a maniac, I rr to $115 and call off.

never fold

raise to 175, forcing villain to shove with draws or fold, and they will shove everytime. Hero prices himself in also if hero is drawing.

winner

I'll really only open-shove if its someone I have enough history with to determine they'll donk with hands like a black K10/A9 and will fold to a standard raise but tank-call an overshove.

But that's like 1% of the time. 99% of the other time, raise call. Sure, maybe he'll flat and then open shove a turned diamond which is just complete headasplode, but that happens 18% of the time. If he flopped a flush, well, good for him, now it's time to bink.

is this a joke?

raise and stack off if he ships it. youre getting the right odds to anyways after your raise and youre not that deep

this.

raise enough to where the Vil will have to call the turn because of odds.

raise/call. I don't know how you can ever fold here unless the guy is a nit.

Thanks for the replies. I like the $175 reraise-call/shove better than my play.

The hand had a weird ending. After I shoved the $360, the maniac thought for about a minute, then painfully threw his hand face up between the betting line and the pot. He showed Jd10d for the made flush and said nothing. The dealer, looking perplexed, asked "are you calling or folding?" He just sat there staring down at his chips. Finally he asked for a count. Then another guy at the table exclaims "are you seriously thinking of laying that down?" The dealer scolds him for talking with action pending. Finally the maniac calls and the board fails to improve for my top set.

I was shocked because this guy was making the loosest calls leading up to that hand and with my tight image, the only reasonable holding he should have been worried about was AdQd... but there were so many others I could have had there that he was way ahead of. Normally I would have been pissed at the guy who encouraged him to call, but I just can't imagine this guy was going to fold. I think it was all a weird show or something.

note" figuring he would call that much with lone A is a bit much. He almost didnt call with a made flush.

This surely must be sarcasm??....

So he mucked but still raked in the pot.

ya thats a muck IMO

Yeah this just a cooler. Never folding top set OTF in any situation against a maniac.

I think a better discussion would be how to play this against the nittiest of players. If you raise to 115 and he shoves, it still seems like a tough fold to me. I feel like a nit would be more likely to flat with his made flush, assure the board doesnt pair OTT, and maybe give the allusion he has the lone A

Idk what do you guys think? Puke fold if a nit shoves on your 115 raise OTF?

This is the most profitable way to play a set against a possible flush draw regardless of the immediate results for this hand.

The raise on the flop is too big. You’ve got top set and if he's on a flush draw you want to bet an amount that if he calls he’s getting overpriced on his flush draw.
You are drawing too. You've got 7 outs on the next card and 10 outs on the turn to beat his potential flush if he makes it. He on the other hand has got 7 clean outs only twice but he doesn't know it. He’s playing his hand believing he’s got 9 outs to flush. So, he will call and you actually want him to call. In this instance I will call his $45 flop bet and raise him back $110 more. The pot will be $260 and he will have to call $110, so he's getting 2.5:1 for the next card. The pot becomes $370 if he calls. Now on the turn with one card to come if he checks I will bet all-in $205 on the turn making the pot $575 and he will have to call $210 while getting only 2.7:1 odds with one card to come. You see, on every street he's not getting the correct price to draw but he doesn’t know it if he’s a fish and you make money on every street. Don't forget, you are drawing too and if the stacks would be deeper and the flush card comes but pairs the board you are in position to create an empty seat on that table.

Now, if the flush card falls on the turn and he checks, you check behind and draw for free. If you pair the board on the river you're home free. If not, you got to be 100% he was flushing in order to don't pay him off. It depends what you know.

When you’re a hold’em player, you get outdraw sometimes. You want to build a big pots when you’ve got a good hand. Usually you need the best hand when moving money in the middle. You can’t help if you get outdraw. If your opponent has the best hand at the last card, he would have had to have the worst hand until that card. He would have to outdraw you to take the pot, and the player who stays on the worst hand, with the hopes of catching a winner and paying the wrong price, is going to go broke in the long run.


Che