$1/$2 at Mohegan Sun in CT on a Saturday afternoon.

V is an old Asian man. He plays here a lot - every dealer knows him and anyone who plays here regularly would recognize him. I would not describe him as a true OMC but he is absolutely a nit. He limps with a relatively tight range and will raise with premiums (but not just AA/KK). If he is playing in a raised pot, he has a good hand. He is playing a deep stack and covers hero.

Hero is 32yo white guy. I am one of the more aggressive players at the table. I am stuck a bit and I have been caught bluffing this session so not sure how great my image is. I've played with V several times before but I'm not sure what he thinks of me. I have $425 and V covers.

Earlier today we played this hand: V open limps. 2 players over limp. Hero raises SB QJss to $20. Only V calls. Flop: K58r (Pot: $45). H $15 V call. Turn 7ss ($75). H bets $80 planning to give up if Villain calls and I don't make a flush. Villain snap raises to $200 and I sigh fold. Villain tells me he had AK. I'm not surprised he limp-called AK, but I am surprised he raised the turn with 1 pair when we were playing 200bb deep.

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Three loose passive players limp in EP. Hero raises JcJh to $16. Villain cold-calls SB. One limper calls and the others fold.

Flop: 8c7c3d (Pot: $48). V checks. Limper checks. I bet $15. Both players call.

Turn: 8c7c3d Js (Pot: $92). V checks. Limper checks. I bet $55. Villain min-raises to $110. Limper folds. Hero? There is $340 behind.

Call, 3bet small (minraise i guess?), or jam? I would say there is virtually no chance this player has T9s because he would not cold-call a big raise from the SB with it, so I have the effective nuts here.

would bet bigger otf tbh and slightly bigger ott. dont really get the question. you think v doesnt bluff and has a good hand always when he does this, so id put more money in before 9 / t / club come

Noted on the bet sizing. To be honest I lost track of the size of the pot on the turn. I was trying to bet more like 3/4 pot and ended up going kind of small.

I agree on putting more money in, so I guess here is my question: as played, what size would you 3bet to on the turn?

The described player has a set or better 100% of the time. If you are convinced this can’t be a straight, jam. If you are convinced it could be a straight but only with the suited T9 combos, also jam.

This sums it up.

You have to jam here, my guess is he has exactly QQ actually, but could be 88/77 of course. Just the check/call flop seems a little strange cuz nits tend to have mubs about draws.

any JT9 or club he insta mucks everything that doesnt beat you if he has QQ, then he also mucks KA and stacks you on a Q. He might fold, but thats life when playing with a nit.

Dan - I have played this guy a few times and he's a nut peddler. The few pots I've won off him were set/set and one time when I rivered flush against his set. I haven't been up in a while due to work etc.

I would just call this particular player. He has QQ+ or AcKc or AcQc or set. Period. You would leave a PSB behind so you hope he makes his flush. But you probably cannot bet a Q/K/A river with much confidence lol.

Against the 1/2 population, I would have bet bigger on the flop to set up a turn overbet on this wet board.

Well he rarely has a draw if he chooses to raise turn - so he has 2p + at this point.

I don't like your bet sizes but besides the point - I just call the raise.

Quite frankly I don't think you would have any raises in this spot. Maybe T9 but even that plays better as a call most of the time.

Can't really see us folding any river if he jams so hopefully you hold up.

Couple votes have come in for call, which is interesting. I did think about calling here. If I thought this player had any bluffs (and that he would follow through on the river), I like the idea of calling. That is probably the play I would make in an online game against a tough opponent (although a tough opponent rarely cold calls 8bb from the SB).

Ah cool, you play at Mohegan Sun regularly? I'm curious if we are thinking of the same player or not. I think maybe we are - while there are a lot of older nitty Asian men that play here, I do think this player is somewhat unique. A lot of those other guys are shortstack OMC rock types, and this guy is sitting 200bb deep with me and mixing it up a little bit. Nut peddler is an apt description as well.

I do think it's possible that this guy has QQ or AKcc. The minraise almost feels like he is trying to figure out where he is at with a QQ type hand. I did consider calling for this reason but I don't think I gave it enough thought in game.

The flop sizing in this hand is a result of my default strategy in multiway pots which is to bet small. I think you are probably right that on this sort of board against these players I can go bigger. I need to make sure I am not auto-piloting these betsizing spots. I definitely agree that my turn sizing is too small.

From description it sounds unlikely he had 87 or 9T, and this would be a weird line for a nfd to take. I guess he has a set and we should jam.

Bet bigger on the flop, jam now. I don't like flatting because I don't think we'll get much more from him unless he catches up. If he has a straight, so be it.

Just going to post the results now. One of the most distressing hands I've ever played.

Lol at him showing. Just bluff him every hand you play.

Agreed, plus reads were that H is stuck, has been caught bluffing a few times, and V knows it. V is a nut peddler, but not a complete rock. I.e., V shouldn't need a straight to call it off here.

(LOL, I guess he does. Ridiculous.)

Basically agree with everything else already mentioned about limp pf, esp with H's image.

Well him folding a set is a disaster.

The truth is, you should never have any raises though on this turn, but if you ever have a draw and deep i'd be jamming on him a lot - especially on rivers that complete draws and you have a blocker. I can see him folding 77 because he loses to 88 T9 and JJ and at 1/2 people just don't bluff enough.

That said, I doubt you play many big hands with this guy in the future, the population is so big in low stakes.

3bets on flop or turn are just so often value, esp. vs. this guy (and he probably understands his image) ... I don't think the size matters that much and if anything looks even more sus to go smaller, like if I ever 3bet AsTs or As9s here I'm shoving. Maybe he calls a small raise and then x/f river when you shove which is still less value than calling.

Would default to call, praying for a brick river, and never raise anything ... but I can see how I might decide this was one of the few times a 3bet shove was good, and add it to my collection of where my range was super value heavy and V's folded great (worse) hands.

lets be serious. given villain description of play style and range composition, no one is or should be jamming the turn with a bluff and i really wouldn't change that in the future, especially when hes telling you he doesn't give you credit for hands > a set in your range (ie he said no t9)

LOL! I would be ecstatic to see this fold, hed never see a showdown again against me.

If he folds ott, he is never putting his money in otr if practically any card other than a 7 comes out. Everyone who says call is ignoring what V will do when he sees literally any even sorta scare card.

Haven't seen spoiler or posts after it. He can't have JXcc so this is QQ, 77, 88, T9s and if he has T9s he may have 87s and 33 as well so not evens out. He shouldn't have hit top pair because no Jx should be there given you have the Jc. There could also be nut flush draws. You are ahead of almost all of these, and almost none of them (with the exception of QQ and the less likely 87s) will fold to a small raise, and very likely won't fold to a jam either. I marginally prefer a jam to a small raise. Scare cards aplenty and you need to do a bit of work to get the money in, so whatever you do don't call, realistically a minraise looks as strong as a jam at this stack depth so really you should jam

Edit...now seen results...oh crumbs