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02-10-2017 , 04:04 PM
I'm looking for some opinions on this hand. It was a quick hand with no tough spots, but I definitely feel like I missed value.

1-3 NL. Weird table, Probably 4 solid player, but people are getting money in the pot. UTG live straddles almost every hand, so normally $6 to come in.

Hero ($400): UTG+1, but live straddle so I'm essentially UTG. Late 20's white side. Fairly regular, normally viewed as a little nitty but winning player. However, probably seen as spewy/tilting tonight because I've played a lot of hands, but I was getting a lot of good starting hands and have just missed a few times. Already had to top off twice, so I'm in the game for $600. A guy just called me down a few hands ago because he thought I was tilting, but I hit trips. I've 3 bet a few times and have c-bet as well.

V1 ($60) UTG+2: Pretty terrible, claims it's his first time playing and I believe him. I've doubled him up twice already though, he cracked my QQ and AA.

V2 ($300) MP: Mid 50's white women. Pretty passive, a lot of limp-call-check-fold lines.

V3 ($450) MP: Mid 30's white dude. Been involved in quite a few hands, but seems alright. Has 3 bet a few times. I've never played with him though.

V4 ($350) Button: Mid 40s white dude. Solid reg, definitely a winning player that likes to apply pressure.

OTTH:

I'm first to act and look down to see 10s10c. I raise to $20. Pretty standard sized raise for the table. If no straddle, most initial raises are $12-15, with straddle $20-25.

All four Vs call.

Flop ($100): 10-5-6 rainbow.

Hero:???

Spoiler:
I led out for $55. Entire table folded. I've been trying to play a little more aggressive to build pots when my hand is big. Normally, I would check here to entice a bet, then call and re evaluate in turn.

I bet here, as I figured if someone else hit, with the size of the pot it'd entice a shove. Obviously that didn't work.

How would you try to get max value out of this hand?
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02-10-2017 , 04:17 PM
Less words next time. NH and good sizing.
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02-10-2017 , 04:18 PM
Your OOP with top set, facing 4 opponents. The board is pretty dry but gut shot draws and some low straight draws are possible. Nobody behind you is aggressive enough to make a check/raise a good idea. This looks like a fairly mandatory bet to me. $60/$70 looks good, board is dry enough you don't need to go huge.

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After looking at your spoiler, your bet is too small. If you get one call everybody behind with anything will call. This looks like a straight it's just impossible to make money because everybody else has air situation. Against fewer opponents I might go with a check but never against 4.
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02-10-2017 , 04:18 PM
Tilting. That's all there is to it. You prob could size down a notch, but you'd be doing yourself a disservice by checking 5 handed, someone should at least have a gutter.
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02-10-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
Your OOP with top set, facing 4 opponents. The board is pretty dry but gut shot draws and some low straight draws are possible. Nobody behind you is aggressive enough to make a check/raise a good idea. This looks like a fairly mandatory bet to me. $60/$70 looks good, board is dry enough you don't need to go huge.

Spoiler:
After looking at your spoiler, your bet is too small. If you get one call everybody behind with anything will call. This looks like a straight it's just impossible to make money because everybody else has air situation. Against fewer opponents I might go with a check but never against 4.
After looking at his spoiler, reading your post, and looking at your spoiler, no, 70 is way to big.
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02-10-2017 , 04:39 PM
If we're expecting a 5+way pot, then all we're doing with TT is typically setmining. So I'd either limp or raise an amount that has a chance at narrowing the field. If we don't hit a T, our hand is going to be pretty difficult to play OOP in a bloated pot where a huge amount of boards suck.

SPR is 4 and board isn't too terribly drawy. I'd probably play for stacks with 3 streets of betting on this board, which means just 1/2 PSBs or so. So I'd probably cbet $55 and go from there. With the SPR being so small and board relatively drawless, I don't think it would be a crime to check and hope someone hits an overcard that they'll pay off stacks with, but the problem with that is we'll need PSB + PSB to do that, which might look suspicious after a flop check (course someone else might bet the flop for us, but again it looks suspicious checking flop and then donking turn).

I grunched this before I read spoiler; nice flop sizing, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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02-10-2017 , 05:37 PM
There is something to be said for "perceived size" and the "wall mart betsizing"

Basically alot of people are gonna look at $55 like it is a big bet (when it's really half pot) I mean I've bet 1/3 pot before and gotten asked "why so much"

You also have the wall mart strategy where $40 sounds like infinitely less than $55. Here it would be fine bc most stacks are shallow anyway and the one big stack can easily be stacked still too.

So I mean you can get fancy here and bet $40 but don't make it a habit. Want dry texture and shallow eff stacks.

Don't check. When you have big hands ensure money goes in on each street. That's how you make money.
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