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04-19-2014 , 12:38 PM
Another "last call on Friday night" $1-$2 hand.

Hero ($285) has been folding like it's his job for the past two and a half hours. Saw some draws at the right price that didn't pan out, and has been topping off.

Villain ($285) is a 40-something black man that came from a broken table about thirty minutes ago with a little over $400 in chips (max buy-in is $300). He's definitely loose pre-flop, and on one had he made a pretty sizable bet/fold on the river.

We're 7-handed at this point. About 70% of the post are raised pre-flop, and a fair amount of straddling is going on. This does not discourage people from open-limping, and we haven't seen any limp / re-raising.

Preflop:

2 limps
Hero makes it $15 on the button with Q J
Villain calls in the SB
BB folds
Both limpers call

$15 has been my standard raise to limpers, and normally gets one or two calls. I think calling is fine some of the time in this spot as well, but the last four orbits my button has been unplayable.

Flop: J 8 4 (Pot: $57 after rake)

Checks to hero, who bets $40. Villain calls, limpers fold.

Probably could have bet a little less on a flop this dry with the same results.

Turn: J 8 4 9 (Pot: $137)

Villain bets $75
Hero???

I have $230 left before my action.

I'm most interested in your turn decision, but comments on the hand overall are welcome.
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04-19-2014 , 12:47 PM
I like pre.

I was going to say that your c-bet was too big on a dry board, but you figured that out already.

Turn is gross. C/c flop and lead turn is a set so very often. I think I just fold it here without better reads. Neither J or Q are likely to be good, as when he doesn't have a set they likely give him a straight to go with his pair or trips to go with his TP+gutshot. We're basically draing only to the gutshot, imo, and hte impileds aren't there.
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04-19-2014 , 02:06 PM
Pre is a mandatory raise in position.

Black guys are passive, middle-aged guys are usually passive. Middle-aged black guy wakes up on a straightening board with lots of two-pair combinations?

I think he's telling you that TPGK is beat.
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04-19-2014 , 02:23 PM
Fold. As stated, your c-bet could have been smaller on such a dry board and achieved the same results.

With more history we might be able to determine if this is a semi-bluff, but as V is relatively unknown I'm giving him credit for at least two pair.

Your line is super strong which makes his all the stronger.
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