Hero (2100): Hyper aggressive image
V1 (3400): Extremely good textbook TAG player. Really solid, if he makes a bluff it is usually with a very good line
V2 (1200): LAG player. Abuses agression in position some times

OTH
Blinds 5-10

Folds to V2 who raises to 40 on the CO, V1 calls on SB I call on BB with QhTh

Flop (120): Ts7s3h
V1 checks, hero leads out 65, V2 folds, V1 raises to 200. Hero calls

Turn (520): Ks
V1 bets out 195

Hero?

I don’t understand the flop lead. V2 is likely weak here as he’s raising wide preflop, and you have absolute position on V1 plus relative position if V2 bets. Betting here means that V2 gets to fold, and it also means that V1 likely knows you hit this board somehow. But you describe V1 as someone you aren’t looking to play pots against. I’m not sure of the logic behind putting yourself in this position.

I think you should probably just fold because so many of his bluffs got there and he can still have sets, KT, JJ, QQ, AA with one spade for value. Even if you give him some straight draws without spades and some AsQx, AsJx, I don't think there is enough.

I don't like the flop lead. You have an okay hand, but you're not going to feel great if raised. Not even sure where you are at when called. If you're leading this hand, your check call range must be garbage that is going to get bluffed out of the pot a lot by the river.

How would you play hands like sets and flush draws on the flop?

If you played a flush draw like this on the flop, do you lead turn when it hits? And when you check turn when the flush comes in, do you just have mediocre hands? Protect your checking range.

Check call flop, check evaluate turn.

I agree, by betting the flop, you narrow the range V1 has you on. Check the flop. Fold to the flop raise and turn bet. V1 has you beat or, as a good TAG, will outplay you in bluffing because he knows more or less what you have.

Thx for including all stack sizes, I think it's relevant to know who's running well and who's breakeven.

As played, you're crushed, fold.

Preflop is a 3bet, but calling isnt terrible.

Flop lead is debatable. I dont mind it since we're supposed to have decent hands here, but you open yourself up to being bluff raised which is exactly what I do in V's shoes when people donkbet me.

Dont really like calling his raise either, because if you wanted to see a turn you could have just x/c the flop, now the pot is spiraling.

On the turn though we gotta give it up. All of his bluff just got there, and he can still blow us off with random backdoor draws like AJ etc.

Any comments on why you prefer to lead here? Do you wanted to induce a bluff raise of V2? Based on the description of V2 (aggro), I would certainly just check my entire range otf. As played I like the call on the flop, we have position and every heart boosts our equity. Turncard is one of the worst and I would just muck at this point.

fold pre

I prefer to 3bet lags in position with speculative hands, since they usually call pre anyway.

I'm not donking out, and I'm not calling his raise otf.

Disagree with this statement - I would have a wider donk range here than x/c. Now with this hand I would x/c, but in general I think you can have a polar donk range that works for us. On to the hand - if the villain is a TAG straightforward player you might even want to consider folding the flop. What's his x/r range here? sets/two pair/AT?/NFD?/combo draws? We're not in good shape vs this range. I think against this guy I just fold to the flop raise.

What's really that dangerous about this board (regarding title)? I'm guessing that's why you decided to donk here for protection?

Pre - you can make a case for fold, call, 3b. I think call is fine here.
Flop - Feels check/call. Not loving the call of the raise either
Turn - easy give up even at this price - he could have a flush, set, AsKo, and a bunch of other **** that beats you.

On people asking why I led out on the flop, this is my reasoning and im open to feedback:

V2 is a really aggressive player, but against 2 players he can check back unless he hits the flop in some way. I have a good hand here and almost all turn cards are bad for me against 2 players, so I might as well try to pick up the pot there or isolate only 1 player

On how the hand ended here it is:

newb play, he just isolates himself against better holdings, since most of us would've folded on the turn. Also, aggressive players are aggressive, no matter how many opponents are in the hand unless you have a strong read.

He played it really weird. Flop seems like it is for value. Turn is ??? River he probably knows he is not good, but it is hard to out you on a hand he can get to fold now. Was it JTs, or JTo? Did he have a spade? If he unblocks spades and has a T, how is he going to put you on QhTh.

If you have spades, what is his game plan? Decide it's time to rep the boat and ship it for over 1.5x pot and hope you make a hero fold?

Not what I was expecting from this villain based on description.

Now that I think of it, flop raise for value, turn block bet to get to check back river. I can see where he is coming from, but it's really thin with JT. Now he is block betting the turn to try to save himself from having to put more money in on the river... well he kind of brought this on himself by bloating the pot on the flop.

Pretty interesting. You found one of the two hands that can donk a lot on this board after a SB check. AT also donks.

And QhTh actually donks at something like an 80% frequency, even though our entire range checks about 95% or more.


Curious......did you know this/study this spot previously in a 3 way solve? Or would you donk more hands here? Genuinely curious if you found this spot by accident or knew it was a donk?

Interestingly, this is all backwards. You should have almost no donking range here. But QhTh is donking a lot here and not c/c much.

Also, you should be calling this c/r when you donk.

The hand was played fairly textbook all the way around. You found the one hand in your range on this board that donks almost all the time after SB check. His c/r with JT is fine.

V should not be barreling with JT much at all on turn, but not huge mistake. Your call on turn was fine.

Once V does bet JT on turn, he should be betting very large or jamming this river. And you should be folding.


If he doesn't bet very large or jam river, you can call up to 1/2 pot or so.

No, I havent studied this spot on a 3way pot. But mainly my donking range would be top pairs. Straight draws im checking and flush draws I may find a donk some times but I prefer to check them