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08-29-2017 , 09:15 AM
2/5 at sugar house. H rarely plays here and just sat down so no reads. H is in a suit on a Monday night and bought in for max of $1000 so obviously looks like a rec/fish. H hasn't shown down any hands yet but did 3-bet his first hand at table (w AQ) and won without showdown.

V1 (1000) - 40 yo Asian guy. He just checked back quads on the river v a buddy so must be a reg. H said that the check back with the nuts v a friend was BS.
V2 (700) 45 yo white guy who hasn't done anything yet.
H covers.

V2 limps from EP. V1 raises to 25 from MP. H calls from BTN w ATo. V2 calls.
Fold or 3-bet pre? Folding seemed nitty in position and 3-betting seemed a bit too light esp since I'd already 3-bet recently.

Flop ($75) - Ax8s4s. H has the As. V2 checks, V1 bets $40, H calls and V1 folds. This seems pretty standard, not going to fold top pair to a c-bet and hard to get value from worse with top pair, meh kicker.
Turn ($155) - 7x. V checks, H checks. Again standard don't see a lot of reason to bet here.
River ($155) - Jx. V checks. Hero? Think I'm usually good here though I guess V could have AQ or AK and be pot controlling. Bet small to get callled by pocket pairs or spade draws with a jack? Bet big to look like a missed draw? Check back and get to showdown? I bet $50 here but not sure if that's the right play. Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Last edited by MIB211; 08-29-2017 at 09:30 AM.
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08-29-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
2/5 at sugar house. H rarely plays here and just sat down so no reads. H is in a suit on a Monday night and bought in for max of $1000 so obviously looks like a rec/fish. H hasn't shown down any hands yet but did 3-bet his first hand at table (w AQ) and won without showdown.

V1 (1000) - 40 yo Asian guy. He just checked back quads on the river v a buddy so must be a reg. H said that the check back with the nuts v a friend was BS.
V2 (700) 45 yo white guy who hasn't done anything yet.
H covers.

V2 limps from EP. V2 raises to 25 from MP. H calls from BTN w ATo. V2 calls.
Fold or 3-bet pre? Folding seemed nitty in position and 3-betting seemed a bit too light esp since I'd already 3-bet recently.

Flop ($75) - Ax8s4s. H has the As. V2 checks, V1 bets $40, H calls and V1 folds. This seems pretty standard, not going to fold top pair to a c-bet and hard to get value from worse with top pair, meh kicker.
Turn ($155) - 7x. V checks, H checks. Again standard don't see a lot of reason to bet here.
River ($155) - Jx. V checks. Hero? Think I'm usually good here though I guess V could have AQ or AK and be pot controlling. Bet small to get callled by pocket pairs or spade draws with a jack? Bet big to look like a missed draw? Check back and get to showdown? I bet $50 here but not sure if that's the right play. Thoughts on all streets appreciated.
V2 definitely has an advantage since he gets 2 hands
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08-29-2017 , 09:59 AM
I'd normally fold pre with ATo against an MP open as it's a hand that will be easily dominated by AJ-AK. I'd also hate to 3b this hand and have V1 4b out of spite b/c you didn't like his play with quads against his friend.

As played, I believe flop and turn are standard. On the river I'd probably make a bet of about $115. When you check back the turn and bet the river you are repping a hand like AJ, AQ, etc. or a busted flush draw. Would you really only bet $50 with a busted flush draw? If you had a busted flush draw and chose to bluff then it seems like you would bet more to put more pressure on him. When you only bet 1/3 pot I think this looks too much like AJ or AQ trying to get a crying call from something like QQ or KK. Also, if you do bet about 75% pot then there's always a small chance villain could fold AQ or AK since AJ now has 2 pair.

Last edited by CWsports; 08-29-2017 at 10:06 AM.
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08-29-2017 , 10:45 AM
Not thrilled with the call pre. I generally fold this to an open vs. a reg in MP. So easily dominated.

Flop is fine. Turn is OK, but if I'm going to bet at all, it's here. I just check back river. He's not folding AQ/AK and I don't think he's calling with worse except maybe KK or QQ.

This guy checked quads -- granted to a friend, but maybe he's giving you the same treatment
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08-29-2017 , 01:03 PM
$70 on the river. Otherwise hand is fine imo.
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08-29-2017 , 01:37 PM
Ummm....which villain folded? This HH is confusing.

Fold pre.

AP depends whether the limper or raiser folded OTF.

Hard to believe PFR would raise AJ+ then check the turn and river.

Though again not clear whether that was the PFR or limper.

I would definitely bet either the turn or river when checked to. The turn is better if villain is drawing. The river is better if villain has a weak made hand.

I probably go with betting the turn as this board is draw heavy.

AP bet like 85 otr. You're beat sometimes but given villain checked twice he's probably not super strong but calls any ace and maybe hands like KJ / QQ / KK.

Fold if raised.

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08-29-2017 , 01:39 PM
Grunch.

Hate the button call. If you think V1 is FoS, 3b it with little regard for your actual hand. Almost always a routine fold for me. I might call with ATs.

Flop looks fine.

Turn looks fine.

I'd bet/fold river for thin value, sizing to get called by most of his range, say $80.

I think betting turn and checking river would be fine. It might look a little stronger to V, but might also get some calls from hands that will fold the river unless they draw out.
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08-29-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Ummm....which villain folded? This HH is confusing.

Fold pre.

AP depends whether the limper or raiser folded OTF.

Hard to believe PFR would raise AJ+ then check the turn and river.

Though again not clear whether that was the PFR or limper.

I would definitely bet either the turn or river when checked to. The turn is better if villain is drawing. The river is better if villain has a weak made hand.

I probably go with betting the turn as this board is draw heavy.

AP bet like 85 otr. You're beat sometimes but given villain checked twice he's probably not super strong but calls any ace and maybe hands like KJ / QQ / KK.

Fold if raised.

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sorry for confusion, posted from my phone. The PFR c-bet flop, the limp/caller folded flop. On turn and river the only people in the hand are myself and the PFR.
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08-29-2017 , 01:57 PM
Fold pre.

As played, flop and turn are standard. Bet ~$125 OTR, to try and induce a hero call with worse.
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08-29-2017 , 02:32 PM
That turn is way too good not to bet for ~110 when you consider what your whole range looks like. It also sets things up very well for this type of river where you can just ck back a hand like AT and win sometimes, and go polar when betting. (I frequently flat sets on this flop so it makes it easier)
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