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03-21-2017 , 10:19 AM
Hey all new to the forums but I plan on being pretty active going forward.

Anyway had a question on what to do in position with a top pair of 10 through 7ish. Usually this happens when I limp something lik suited connectors or maybe an ace rag suited in position. With a top pair this low usually the board looks pretty straity. With me and 2-3 villains it's checked to me and I'll make a 1/4 to 1/3 pot bet and usually only get on fold. Then turn will usually be an overcard or complete a draw, and when a villan bets usually I'll just fold.

My question is does top pair this low have any value? Is there a profitable way to play it?
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03-21-2017 , 11:04 AM
Using your example...lets say its 1/2

You limp for $2. There's 3 other limper's so on the flop the pot is $8. You bet 1/4 to 1/3 pot....which is $2-$3...with TP? Of course nobody is folding. You need to bet more than that with TP. Actually, not matter what you have, if youre going to bet you need to bet more than that.
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03-21-2017 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Using your example...lets say its 1/2

You limp for $2. There's 3 other limper's so on the flop the pot is $8. You bet 1/4 to 1/3 pot....which is $2-$3...with TP? Of course nobody is folding. You need to bet more than that with TP. Actually, not matter what you have, if youre going to bet you need to bet more than that.
Yeah if the pot's that small you can usually get away with potting it or making a small overbet (10-15 is usually a good amount in this case). At smaller absolute bet sizes, players tend to call extra loose so you should charge them the maximum when you're usually ahead.
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03-21-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
....which is $2-$3...
which is
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03-21-2017 , 11:29 AM
.....at the risk of starting another argument.....don't open limp.....
Tpnk is generally a one or two Streets of value hand, so you can bet flop 50-80% and then call turn, if they fire the river your probably no good..... Don't be to worried about the overcard, sometimes they hit it, but sometimes they bluff, unlikely they bluff twice..
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03-21-2017 , 12:42 PM
Betting TP hands in limped pots for value sucks ass and I try not to do it very often. People are going to limp higher PPs to your low TP or a better kicker to your Ax. I usually just try to get it to showdown by calling 1 or rarely 2 bets depending on the strength. If I checked AJo or something from the BB I would probably bet the hand myself.

That being said I am only ever in this situation from the blinds so it is easy to let go. If you have decent enough position you can bet on the flop. Just never barrel, and give up if another player makes a chunky bet on a later street.
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03-21-2017 , 12:48 PM
Don't limp with garbage in position. Raise your connectors. Then bet 1/3, 2/3 or pot size - depending on the board texture. Much more profitable than limping with 3 people and betting $4 into $8. Who cares about $8 pot anyway Raise it then bet it.
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03-21-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhombo
Betting TP hands in limped pots for value sucks ass and I try not to do it very often. People are going to limp higher PPs to your low TP or a better kicker to your Ax. I usually just try to get it to showdown by calling 1 or rarely 2 bets depending on the strength. If I checked AJo or something from the BB I would probably bet the hand myself.

That being said I am only ever in this situation from the blinds so it is easy to let go. If you have decent enough position you can bet on the flop. Just never barrel, and give up if another player makes a chunky bet on a later street.
Yeah that's why raise it then bet it - such people as Rhombo will fold their AJ oop.
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03-21-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
.....at the risk of starting another argument.....don't open limp.....
Tpnk is generally a one or two Streets of value hand, so you can bet flop 50-80% and then call turn, if they fire the river your probably no good..... Don't be to worried about the overcard, sometimes they hit it, but sometimes they bluff, unlikely they bluff twice..
Here's why I open limp- I've found at low stakes 1/2 live people will get agitated if you're raising after they limp. Do it to much and the table will get a bit tilty towards you. People start trying to bullying you. If I have a premium hand, sure I'll raise 4-6bb no problemo. But with a 10c9c...I'll just limp. Even if you make it 6 to go everyone is just gonna call you anyways because they "already invested". And most of the time you flop TPNK (see above) or at best open ended strait draw.

Also maybe I wasn't really thinking. I will usually make a $10 dollar bet in the above situation. Little sleepy when I made the post lol. Still people seem to be very sticky thinking I'm just taking a stab and will float with a draw or overcards. If you don't fire again on the turn then on 5th Street usually you have middle pair/no kicker with the board looking pretty scary (overs, straits, paired) and will be facing a decent bet. Or fire on the turn then get led into on the river.
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03-21-2017 , 02:51 PM
Let them get tilty towards you, frustrate the hell out if them by mercilessly raising your button and Co because you have position... These hands are so much easier in position as you can just check behind if you like, and take a free Street.
I love it when they hate there limps being raised....
If they aren't bothered and just call, over limping is ok with some hands, 67s 919suited etc and small pp's but realise you art playing to make 1 pair.... If your 4+ to the flop with 910 minimum I want to start betting is two pair...Maybe I'll call a bet but one pair multiway is pretty worthless
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