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Top and bottom against 70 year old nit Top and bottom against 70 year old nit

04-08-2013 , 12:00 PM
This hand happened at a 1/2 9 handed table in Wendover NV.

I'm in BB with 10 8

It gets limped 5 ways. I check BB. Effective stack sizes are about 100BBs (it was hard to tell because the nit didn't have two 20 stacks, they looked random, he possibly had a little more, like 120BBs)

Nit has only played 2 or 3 hands in the last two hours, never showing anything down. He's won maybe one pot by raising pre, betting flop, and betting turn and getting a fold.

Flop is:
8 9 10

I lead for $7 into $8 pot. CO who is a loose drooler calls and Button who's is a 70 year old nit calls, everyone else folds. pot is $27.

Turn is 4 so now I have and top and second with a flush draw.

I bet $15, CO folds, and now 70 year old nit makes it $25 more. I've got 15 outs (possibly) if the nit flopped a straight so I call hoping for a T or 8. Pot is around $105

River is a 6

I check, Nit insta-pushes what looks to be $100 into middle. What do I do, call or fold? 7x gets there, flush gets there, he could've flopped a straight or a set.

Two ways I think I misplayed this hand:

I should've 3bet the turn to get the money in with at least 71% equity against villian's range, which I entered into Stove as every Jx combo except JJ.

I could've bet/folded river with a blocking bet of about $50.
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04-08-2013 , 12:10 PM
I like the way you actually played the hand much more than either of your suggested alternatives, assuming you folded on the river. Bet bigger on the turn though.
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04-08-2013 , 12:15 PM
played it fine, now insta fold river.

probably leading larger otf and ott.

agree with scared, both your alternative lines are bad. don't 3b bc you are always behind when a nit raises ott. and don't make a blocking bet otr planning to b/f. this accomplish nothing when you never expect your opponent to bluff
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04-08-2013 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bud Green


I should've 3bet the turn to get the money in with at least 71% equity against villian's range, which I entered into Stove as every Jx combo except JJ.
This range is way, way too narrow. Villain is nitty and called a limp from the button pre, so he has a ton of different combos potentially. He could have two spades, one of them a Q for a flush draw and a gut-shot. He could have a set (I'd raise these pre, but a nit may just call and try to flop a set). 10-9 is also a very possible holding, and of course could also have Jx or even 7x.

Agreed with others, the way you played it was better than your alternatives. Now you have to fold, what hand does a nit push for $100 that you beat?
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04-08-2013 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bud Green

I should've 3bet the turn to get the money in with at least 71% equity against villian's range, which I entered into Stove as every Jx combo except JJ.
This would have been really, really bad imo. Played semi-fine now fold.
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04-08-2013 , 01:13 PM
OP-

You say you should have shoved turn because villain's raising range included any jack. You're 100% right if that's true, but that sure as hell isn't a nit's raising range on the turn.

Flop bet is a little small, I bet 10 here, villains won't notice it's an overbet. Turn is a clear call if your nit read is right. River is a clear fold as well, again given your read is correct.
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04-08-2013 , 06:42 PM
It seems the consensus is I played it semi-correctly. I did indeed insta fold the river, then I started fishing for information. The nit claimed he had gotten bored not playing any hands and went bananas with Jx (he couldn't remember his other card) after missing every draw. Obv he could be lying. If he's telling the truth, then I guess you always have to put a 5% chance in your range analysis that an apparently tight nit can spazz out, which I never even considered. After the hand, he went back to playing one hand an hour.

I listen to a lot of Deuce Plays podcasts and Bart is always talking about how the bet/fold is the bread and butter of the professional poker player. So after nit told me had J high, I started considering the river blocking bet.
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04-08-2013 , 06:50 PM
You don't block bet nits. You check fold.
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04-08-2013 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bud Green
went bananas with Jx (he couldn't remember his other card)
Pretty sure this is a lie concealing the nuts 100% of the time.
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04-08-2013 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bud Green

I listen to a lot of Deuce Plays podcasts and Bart is always talking about how the bet/fold is the bread and butter of the professional poker player. So after nit told me had J high, I started considering the river blocking bet.
You bet-fold for value to get called by worse. Not to block to prevent your opponent from bluffing you. Here, this is really easy check fold, but some of the time it may go check check and you'll win.

Bet 3 betting turn would be a disaster as others have said.
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04-08-2013 , 08:19 PM
Yea dude is lying old man nit never spazz unless he is on tilt then u can maybe throw a small % of spazz in there. I think you played it perfectly. Easy river fold against this villain.
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04-08-2013 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Pretty sure this is a lie concealing the nuts 100% of the time.
+1.

Those guys never spazz. Ever.
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04-08-2013 , 09:24 PM
Thanks for all of the input. Turns out the hand was pretty standard. On my 2 hr. drive back to Utah I kept thinking that I had misplayed it somehow.

When nit told me he had missed all of his draws, I was skeptical as well. It just didn't make sense that a geriatric would bluff.

BTW, he was wearing a baseball cap that said:

D.E.A.
Drunk Every Afternoon

which I thought was pretty cool. But I never saw him drink in the 5 hours I was at the table with him.
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04-09-2013 , 01:44 AM
U played the hand fine. Now check fold river. I'd check fold a blank river to a shove as well. U r almost always behind on turn when raised. Don't blocker bet river, u probably never get bluffed if u check fold
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04-09-2013 , 03:44 AM
+1 to you played the hand fine, but would like to see a little bit bigger bets otf and ott
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