Hero (UTG +1 ) $650
Vilain (CO) ~$500

No reads on Vilain, only been at table for 2 orbits, saw him limp aces a few hands prior.

Hero calls with A 8 , 4 callers, Button makes it $20, everyone calls

Flop:

8 5 2 Checks to CO who bets $55, Hero calls, everyone else folds

Turn:

A

Hero checks, CO bets $110, Hero calls.

River:

2

Hero checks, CO moves all in for $300 , Hero ??

[QUOTE=AFox985;25505521]Hero (UTG +1 ) $650
Vilain (CO) ~$500

No reads on Vilain, only been at table for 2 orbits, saw him limp aces a few hands prior.

Hero calls with A 8 , 4 callers, Button makes it $20, everyone calls
/QUOTE]

AP snap-call, looks like an overpair JJ+ or AK/AQ that cbet flop and couldn't help betting OTT when you checked to him again.

In the long run l/c A8s from EP seems to be profitable only in cold-decking situations, which will be far outweighed by the times you c/f flop having missed and bled 10bb OOP.

EDIT: if you ran into Aces full I'm surprised that you called OTT - what was your plan for the river? I'd probably c/min-raise the turn and fold to a shove.

I hope this is 2/5, cuz if it's 1/2 then preflop is beyond terrible. As played it's an easy call (you are only beat by sets or AA). but A8 is really weak (even though it's suited Lol)

I would ship the turn. Often he calls with Ax or any draw. I think turn ch/push is the best line to get value from Ax and draws.

But i think A8s from early is a fold. Limp is not good.

How can you not call when you c/call c/call every street? You look weak as hell... he can be value-betting AX, A3-A4, A9-AK that he decided to take a stab at on the flop, occasionally he'll be value betting 99-KK. He can be bluffing with any missed clubs or 67... I'm calling and expecting villain to be good a lot.

Fold pre btw.

Fold pre or open, don't limp call. As played call there are a ton of weaker two pairs, basically what canoodles said.

I agree, AK/AQ is never folding here. They will know they are beat, know that you hit a set or two pair, and they will call regardless.

checking river is a mistake imo as a significant % of villains with AK/AQ/AJ will check back after you c/c them twice.

VAST majority of the time, you are snapping of AK/AQ in this spot.
5% of the time, you are running into AA

as played, snap call river and be prepared for the "How could you call with that crap you f-ing donk" rant as you tilt villain

incidentally, if all the villains are about as deep as you and villain and if most of the villains called before action got back to you, then preflop call here is fine, you have the implied odds for it.

Just realize that you are playing for the flush or two pair and be prepared to fold turn if unimproved or if the flop bet denies you odds for the draw.

Easy c/c on the river. You are almost at the top of you range,
i would epxect villain to play Ak,Aq exactly that way.


Btw. i like the turn c/c. Villain can barrel bluff the river, and c/r the turn
screams a lot of strength so villain might be able to get away from Ak,AQ.

Thanks for the responses, somehow ran into 88 that hand, absolute top of his range, oh well it happens.

Did everyone miss the fact that button raised pre and CO bet the flop/turn/river?

He's gotta be incredibly strong here to lead into the PF raiser and value bet 3 streets. Fold and not even close. If the ace doesn't scare him he flopped 2 pairs or a set. The 2 on the river killed 8/5 so it's a set 99% of the time.

Easy fold.

i dont know why you wouldnt check raise on 4th street. but since you did you welcome the bet on the river and rub the skin off your knuckles getting the money in.
if you lost so what.

I call. I mean, villain often has AK, AQ (AJ?) here.

Sometimes you will lose to a set, or trip deuces (weird given pf action, but whatever. This is live NL), but you gots to call here. You gots to!

easiest call of my life, this is like a dream.

i would expect to see ace, five of clubs. with him betting for value.

or even a complete bluff with some kind of straight and flush draw

Preflop: Please include your position in future posts. At a loose/passive table open limping with A8s is usually a good move, but there are other spots where, depending upon your position, it's better to fold or raise. Once it's raised you should fold. You could easily be dominated by a better A, and if you flop a flush draw you often won't be able to draw to it because of a large continuation bet. Also, your position is bad. If you check the flop and the raiser makes a continuation bet you have to worry not only about the raiser, but also the rest of the field left to act behind you. EDIT: Also include the stakes in future posts. I assumed this was 1/2 for my entire response.

Flop: Due to the coordination of the flop, when the CO leads out with the preflop aggressor yet to act you can be fairly sure he has a made hand as opposed to a draw, and is worried that if he checks the button may check behind and give a dangerous free card. Since the bet isn't even 1/2 pot if you call you are giving great odds to the 3 players behind you to call with any of the numerous draws that are out there (this is what I was talking about before when I said your position is bad if you call the raise preflop). Folding is certainly an option also, but since your opponent's bet is pretty weak I prefer check/raising to $160 total and folding if an opponent shoves. By raising you shut out the draws, and make it look to CO like you're willing to go to the mattresses with the hand. You may push him off something like TT or 99, and you'll be able to get away from it when he has a set.

Turn: As played, check/shove. If he has a set you're going broke anyway. The pot is already big and you may get a call from a weaker hand, and if not taking down the pot isn't a bad result either.

River: As played, the pot is too big and you've got too much hand to fold. Call the shove.

Just my opinion...

stakes were 2/5 ,sorry for not posting in the OP, as for position I put in the beginning (utg+1)

This is the easiest set of life. The only way CO has AK/AQ is if it's AK/AQ of clubs.

Board: 8c 5h 2c As 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 5 0.00 { Ad8d }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 5 0.00 { 88, 55, 22, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac5c }


Also, fold pre. Limping A8s here is -ev in a shortstacked game.


o, lulz, op is my rl friend.

sry dude, pf is a slam dunk fold, and flop is an easy fold. there is no way we have good equity with anything he is betting out into 4 other people and we're oop the whole hand



Board: 8c 5h 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.516% 24.33% 00.19% 2890 22.50 { Ad8d }
Hand 1: 75.484% 75.29% 00.19% 8945 22.50 { 88, 55, 22, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac5c }





Board: 8c 5h 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.913% 33.67% 00.24% 5667 40.50 { Ad8d }
Hand 1: 66.087% 65.85% 00.24% 11082 40.50 { 88, 55, 22, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c }









Also, villain limped in. It's very rare that he's going to have AKcc/AQcc, so let's say he has AJcc/ATcc/A5cc and sets for value. I don't think villain will bet so much with a hand like A3cc-A9cc so...


Board: 8c 5h 2c As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.955% 27.95% 00.00% 123 0.00 { Ad8d }
Hand 1: 72.045% 72.05% 00.00% 317 0.00 { 88, 55, 22, AcJc, AcTc, Ac5c }

And let's give him 76cc for the straightflush draw that double barrels on a good card:


Board: 8c 5h 2c As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.612% 31.61% 00.00% 153 0.00 { Ad8d }
Hand 1: 68.388% 68.39% 00.00% 331 0.00 { 88, 55, 22, AcJc, AcTc, Ac5c, 7c6c }

I cant tell you how much I hate weak aces in multiway pots. Its awful. Stop calling with them preflop you will losae alot less. Play hands like 78clubs 108diamonds. Stick to AQ and AK. Honestly Im folding here everyone says its a easy call but even before I read your results I thought set of 55s or 88s. First off is he really going to c-bet into 4 people on a 8 high board without 99 or better. The answer is no bc he knows people are going to call with 77 78 flush draws hands like that. So he isnt betting AK or AQ in that spot. Now when the A falls on the Turn he is shutting down hands like 99-kk bc with you call he is scared of the Nut flush draw that just picked up a Ace. Even if he still puts you on a flush draw here he is checking for pot control. Even if he does decied to rep an Ace on the turn with his 99-kk he isnt going to shove the river ever in this spot bc you obv atleast have an ace with a club draw or two pair. IMO the only hand that you can beat in this spot is A5ss and how often is Villain raising preflop with A5 suited with 4 limpers. NEVER

I like everything about this post and agree with it completely (and told the OP last night) except for the last line. Villain was not the preflop raiser.