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06-30-2015 , 04:24 PM
Hero-22 year old Indian guy this is my 2nd hand at the table I know v1 in this hand. I have 200$ and am in the SB , I look like I just woke up out of bed and wearing a hoodie.

V1- he's an older guy who knows somewhat what he's doing , he likes to make a lot of big bets , I played with him before but I haven't been able to decipher his bets ( I haven't been paying enough attention) has me covered

V2- he's a middle age guy I don't know anything about him he has like 55-60$

V3- younger guy he plays semi bad but not terrible , I think he's a rec player or beginning player he has 40$

Hero dealt Qd9d limps around I call in the SB.

Flop Qh9c8d pot-12(6ways)
I lead for 6 ,v2 and v3 call than v1 raises to 20( he likes to make big bets so I figured in playing for stacks here)
I call and v2 calls than v 3 ships for 34 everyone calls

Turn-Kd pot-145
I checks v2 goes in for 35 v1 calls I call ( should I be raising all in here)

River-3c
Hero?????
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06-30-2015 , 04:52 PM
A flop shove after the raise to $34 is automatic. You're committed. Make them pay NOW.
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06-30-2015 , 04:59 PM
Given that V1 sounds like someone who likes to make aggressive plays and steal pots, I would consider 3-betting to 60 (I also would have lead out for 12-15). Other villains will be put all-in, if they call and V1 now 4-bets you, you'll have some decision making to do, since you'll be getting... something like 2.5:1 if he shoves? I think not quite 2.5:1. Nonetheless if that happens, unless villain is really super aggressive, I'll find a fold.

I think it's more likely he'll fold, while other short stackers are generally more likely to call you with draws, and unless someone holds JT I expect a raise to your flop lead (if they're currently beating you).

If the short stackers fold and V calls or raises then you'll have to figure out what to do from there; this is the least desirable outcome for me.
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06-30-2015 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by InTheDark
A flop shove after the raise to $34 is automatic. You're committed. Make them pay NOW.
The 34$ all-in blocks a re-raise since the first raise was to 20.
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06-30-2015 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kler
The 34$ all-in blocks a re-raise since the first raise was to 20.
It was a raise from 6 to 20, which is a 14 raise.

So a raise from 20 to 34 = 14 more and should be a full raise.
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06-30-2015 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
It was a raise from 6 to 20, which is a 14 raise.

So a raise from 20 to 34 = 14 more and should be a full raise.
That's interesting, I'm not sure whether I've been wrong all this time and just haven't seen a spot like this, or if the rules are actually different where I play.
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06-30-2015 , 05:23 PM
I like a c/r on this flop much more than a lead. You have T2P, but in a multiway limped pot, its chances of holding to the river are far less than you think. The odds this gets checked around are next to nil, V's ranges will have plenty of pair+draw type hands, and you're going to be OOP. Make them draw now, much moreso than we can do by weak leading $6.

As played, reraise flop. The adage of not going broke in limped pots does apply here, but with these small bet amounts, you're giving everyone way too good a price to draw out on you.

I really don't even know what to advise once we get to the turn as played, because it's been butchered pretty bad up to then. V1's line is very strange and could easily be nutted. I'm probably calling the turn and hoping the river checks through. If V1 bets river I'd have to soul read.
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