$3/$5 Spread-Limit ($5-$300)
$1000 eff

Playing 3/5/10
Hero in Straddle $10 QhJh

Preflop ($18): UTG limp (loose recreational), UTG+1 $40 (pro), folds..., H calls, UTG call
Flop ($120): Td8d3h X X $85, H folds (?!), UTG folds

Fold to nits pre and 3! LAGS, as played folding flop is fine.

Preflop you should fold or 3 bet. The straddle means your not deep enough to flat OOP with this hand against a competent opponent. With a couple more callers it would be OK.

As played fold is fine. It's a bad board for you to bluff raise because the board allows for a lot of draws and villain will only fold his air.

Ok, thanks for confirming flop play is standard.

I'm actually curious about preflop now.. I didn't even consider folding QJs here. I thought our hand had enough equity even versus EP open to continue, I know heads up this hand would mix 3bets but I knew if I called the rec would complete extremely often which I thought was a good thing for my EV. But maybe we'd still rather play HU than OOP to two players?

Could you share sources (i.e. charts?) that support folding PF?

I'm guessing we'd be more inclined to call preflop in the hypothetical situation where pro opens UTG and rec calls UTG+1, because then:
- We'd be closing the action (a small difference than the hand above, but I still do occasionally see recs limp/3bet from EP)
- Even though we're still OOP to two players, the rec will have to act before us on the flop if UTG cbets.

Sound reasoning?

Fully disagree w having to 3b. I promise I understand the general disgustingness of making your last action call pre in a lot of spots, but here, I want to play against UTG and think it's brutal to iso the pro especially with position and a healthy stack to play with.

As far as the flop goes, brutally bad fold, like, real real bad. It's 3 handed right? I think you added one to many 'checks' in your HH. Anyways, call and hope UTG continues as well, you have the same advantages as pre and plenty of equity to push on the turn creating difficult spots for whomever continues. This isn't a 'I have a 3 outer I better fold' spot. Sure it's an expensive call, but you're deep enough and have lots of hands to continue with, not folding this one.

Cool w/ preflop call, esp since it keeps in the fish, 3bet is cool too but def nothing wrong with a call. Flop is a super standard call that'll have a lot of playability on a lot of runouts. If you aren't comfortable continuing on this flop, then preflop prob should be 3bet or fold tbh.

Hah, ok so I have two people saying fold PF and two saying don't fold PF and don't fold flop .

So of course this is a continue 100% of the time were it heads up, but I thought it was much closer multiway with a player left to act. There is also the dynamic of UTG betting large into two people including a rec who clearly hated folding.. I just find it hard to believe UTG+1 has a low equity hand here ever.

Don’t worry about UTG1s equity

Don’t worry about UTG continuing as if that’s a bad thing. If anything the pro should recognize that you have something in this spot, you just happen to be pretty far down.

I would usually call preflop, but mixing in a 3bet is okay once in a while.

I would call flop. Two overs, gutter, BDFD …you have a lot going on. Any Broadway card or heart will improve the equity of your hand. Or you could turn the nuts.

You have to at least call flop

I'm content to fold this preflop against the pro's UTG+1 40 range, which I think I'm comfortably behind (unless he's a real LAG). Admittedly, position seems to be a little less important in spread limit, so we can realize our equity more often here on later streets. But this type of spot doesn't thrill me and I leave it to the better players ITT to set up and play these tricky spots.

AP, the fold is unfortunate. Why did we call preflop if we were going to fold this flop? This HH kinda demonstrates my point about preflop. We've flopped pretty well for QJs and we still don't know what to do here.

With the utg limp im calling this pre 100% of the time

Im folding this on the flop though, with utg its a lot less likely that pro is weak, much more weighted towards value or big draws which we are crushed.

I might’ve called a half pot sizing but i think vs this sizing a fold is fine.

Our hand has > 40% equity against some of UTG+1's made hands (e.g. KcTc), but < 30% equity against some of his draws (e.g. AdXd)

Implied odds are subtly lower because should we make a straight or backdoor flush, the maximum bet or raise in this game is $300.

I think I overestimated how much tighter I had to play multiway, because UTG is way too wide here, probably 35+% of hands.

pre just call

post I'm calling flop bet


????? does pro change bet size based on holdings?

Wait what? This changes the whole dynamic of the hand

Edit: i didnt realize thats what spread limit meant my bad… but yeah this changes a lot. Def folding flop , pre might even think about folding.