Stakes are $1/$3. Table is full of loose passive fish. I should have a solid TAG/LAG image at the table. I raise and 3-bet with good cards or in late position, maybe limped once. There has been maybe 1 other 3-bet at the table in the past 2 hours.

V1 is the main villain in this hand. He is a MABG who plays very loose passive. Limps, calls raises with junk like 76o when he only bought in for $200. Recently stacked an absolute whale when he rivered a K on a 55K9K runout by shoving $150 over a $25 river bet. Whale called with a 5 when that is just so obviously always a K.

I played one notable hand with V1 so far: 4 limps to me on the button, I make it $25 with AJs, only V calls from the BB. Q45ss flop (I have bdfd) and cbet $25. He calls. turn and river are both blanks and go x/x. He wins at showdown. When I ask why no 3-bet he says "cuz $25 was good enough"

OTTH - I am about $425 effective with V1, rest of players have between $200-300 stacks

V1 limps, 3 more limps, I make it $23 from the BB with KcQc. V1 and 2 more limpers call.

Flop ($90)
Qh 2s 3d

I lead for $50. V1 Calls, rest fold. I'm trying to get called by worse Qx and PPs. Also get limpers to fold out whatever backdoor equity they might have.

Turn ($190) Kd

I lead for $125. V1 Calls. Going for fat value against AK or AQ that hes trying to trap with or other

River ($340) Th

I lead for $115. V1 has about $225 remaining on the river. Targetting same stuff as on the Turn, but if he shoved, I was wondering if I should just sigh call and hope he has QT. Is all-in better then?

Thoughts on all streets?

Everything up until the river looks fine. If you think he has something like Qx and will be sticky, just jam. He called $125 OTT when a K showed. He's most likely going to be calling your river bet. It's better to jam. If you read V for 54 or TT or whatever, just check it. That is, unless you think you can get value from 99-JJ.

Shove river. I can understand going a bit thinner with TPGK but when you hit that turn your plan should be to GII by the river vs. the described villain, on all cards. There is no card you don't want to jam river with with a non-believer so the hand plays itself at this point. You set it up really nicely with the turn bet, now stick it in. You will usually win the hand whether he folds or calls.

Pre, I probably make it a little more being OOP but this is just nitpicking, you know your table and sizing. Flop is a bit tricky, this is pretty dry but also multi-way, I think I go slightly less and see how everyone reacts. If we were shallower I would go a bit more to get stacks in unless action/turn gets ridiculously bad. Not saying I'm right about that approach though. Turn is great.

Where are you being too aggressive? Everything seems standard so far and he sounds like the type to over value his hands so just jam the river it's only 225 into 340 and you have top two against a bad player.

Raising KQs is aggressive but not excessively if you can get heads up. When it goes 4 ways to the flop it's a bit unfortunate of a situation and you will have to dial back your laggy play. That changes when you hit TPGK on the flop with SPR < 4. Your essentially committed at that point.
When you hit top two your just trying to get rest of villain's money in. At that point it's a live read of how wide villain will call and how much villain likes his hand. Villain seems sticky so I would favor a river shove.
This is the sort of situation that can make an aggressive player feel bad when villain shows up with 33 and hero was shoveling money into them the whole way. The thing is, against very passive villains if your not value owning yourself sometimes your not being aggressive enough. They are going miss this flop or hit one pair most of the time.

start with pre where you should just go 3x+1 per limper, you have a really good hand to flop multiway and this sizing gets to many folds or gives poor SPR post so it's splitting hairs but theres 4 in the pot, that's 12, then +1 bb makes it 15, maybe you can compensate for bad position by going 17, but def recognize that pre is an overbet and the pot grows exponentially, giving you a very awkward SPR out of pos

as played you are only beat by sets so i just shove river i think

Shove

Hey guys, I am a vote in favor of BIGGER raise sizing pre, or in the alternative, just checking the BB.

If we are going to mess around and create a big pot out of position like this, it is really important to try to end up heads up. Our raise should be calculated to make the pot end up heads up on the flop, whatever amount that may need to be, based on game conditions and specific opponents. In these low limit games it is so often multiway and then they all want to limp-call. I have been experimenting with raising limpers to 1.5x the pot, which in this case would be $30. You may even go bigger since in fact you raised to $25 and 3 of the 4 limpers called you.

If we think the pot is going to end up 4 way almost no matter what we bet, then we are probably better off just checking the BB and going 5 way to the flop with a high SPR and a good multiway hand.

I think what we really want to do is either:
1) take the pot down pre, or
2) take the pot down with a cbet (which is easy to do hu, not as easy multi) or
3) showdown our top pair hand relatively cheaply, like 2 streets of moderate bet-calling (which is easier to do in position and hu and almost impossible to do out of position and multi.)

Are you being too aggressive w KQs from the BB? Well, I would like this action much more if you were in position, but if you are going to raise 4 limpers out of position with a good but not great hand, then I say raise BIG.

Jam the river so you don’t have to sigh call. Get more value from his random pair hands.

I probably go a little bigger PF but you’ve sized your bets well to GII OTR.

Thanks for the replies all. Just realized that I left out of the previous hand history that he had just called with AK from the BB.

For this hand he tank folded on the river and I think that my $115 looked stronger than just a jam. I think jam was best there, just wanted to get an easier call in the moment.

For the preflop sizing, I honestly think at some of these tables, you can just make it whatever the hell you want. $40 might go 3 ways to the flop still.

I just responded to another KQs from the blinds post, so this is a very similar spot. Here, only one of the limpers is deeper like us. So I'm much more willing to create a somewhat comfortable stackoff situation with TP postflop by raising to 10%+ of stacks and hopefully go against a shortstack. So I'd either (a) raise to $30+ preflop to stack off postflop with TP against a shorter stack or (b) overlimp (and with any tricky OMC limp/reraisey passives in the hand, I'd often lean to this).

If you like very multiway small SPR spots, then you'll like your preflop result. Personally, I avoid these spots at all costs, especially since I didn't get in enough of my stack preflop to be more comfortable stacking off postflop. But the SPR is lol < 3 against almost everyone, so we're in a fairly stoopid spot (and especially against the Villain with a slightly larger but still very unmanageable SPR OOP).

With the board not being drawy, I'd aim for a small bet or possibly even a check. I think our bet is a little too large. Him calling with the rest of the world still to act behind him is extremely alarming.

This is a pretty stoopid turn card. It is highly unlikely this guy is floating the flop remotely light with the world still behind him. And meanwhile he's going to have a very tough time continuing with any Qx when our AK looks like it just got there. So much like the flop, I'm not really sure what we're targeting with our fairly large bet.

With only a 2/3 PSB left for the river, we've basically just sigh committed ourselves. So I probably just sigh shove myself. But to be honest, I really don't see how we're ahead apart from being up against a very weird AA / QT.

In my opinion, we overvalued on early streets and committed ourselves (although it is going to be hard not to commit ourselves due to preflop).

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