And just to let everyone know the result of the hand and he checked back the river for a 3rd time i tanked for about 20 seconds. Shoved all in and he SNAP called me with AQ

GG i guess.

So back to my main thought..... should i have shipped the flop? Or is that still a very bad play as like people have said i am only getting called by a hand beating me?

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Whut?

You shouldn't be calling $200 pre with AJ.
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You said there were two spades on the flop. My experience has been that players like the one you describe are sometimes willing to go for a check-raise on the flop with a flush draw, but might make a continuation bet with AK/AQ if they don't have that draw.

While one could probably assume the river was not a spade since you didn't mention it, leaving it ambiguous also opens up the possibility that you are careless.

having been called down by J high, in a previous spot, I think you can't miss value betting big, maybe over potting it. Just unlucky to get coolered like that.

Still betting river every time. He went full trap-mode with a hand he was combinatorially and logically unlikely to have, so be it. And, as alluded to before, flatting AJ pre is bad here and the fact that you're even thinking about checking the river is perhaps the best demonstration of it. The only question you have to ask yourself is: if you don't love AJ in this spot, why would you ever call pre

Like everyone mentioned fold pre.
The bigger issue is that you didn't think about the hand before you put your money in the pot.
1) Calling pre, why did you call and why did you not 3-bet if you thought he was weak?
2) on the flop when he checked how did you think his range changed from what you thought pre flop?
3) on the turn he checked again. Do you think he has an A? If not you should be betting. If you do checking is fine for pot control
4) on the river he checked again. Going back to #3 if you think he has an A what do you think his kicker is? Do you think you have him beat?

I think the river shove is terrible because you don't have any info of where you are at in the hand and hoping he has worse.

If you would have done anything in the hand to get some kind of info you could have saved yourself alot of money.

Have a plan pre-flop and work your plan throughout the hand.

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Logically, he is unlikely to have a hand that can call a river bet unless it is Ax or better.

Based on history posted in the OP it's possible this guy could even call with KQ high. And for the exact same reason that he checked all the way with AQ -- he thinks hero is going to bluff. That's before even counting any pocket pair he could play that way for similar reasoning. Unless you have an extreme soul read, checking river back is legitimately insane.

People are missing that we have a third player all-in and we are building a side pot. It's not a dry side pot, but it's still half the money in the middle and players are often reluctant to bluff in that scenario or to call with a hand that only beats a bluff.

This player is likely to bet his overpairs on the flop, in part because we have a side pot, especially given that a possible flush draw is out there, so it feels very much that his range is polarized between two overcards and strong hands that he decided to slowplay. Given this read, betting the flop is reasonable, but completely optional. Shipping it is entirely too much risk for not enough reward, but betting something like 200 might be sufficient to get villain to laydown AK/AQ or forfeit some equity if he has two live pair draws with a hand like KQ.

Personally, I would have checked it back on the flop with the intention of betting the turn if he checked again on another small card. Of course, the turn wasn't a small card....

I guess I am picking on you. Did you think this through, before you wrote it?

Yes, I thought it through, though I left off the other critiques of claiming that range given the post-flop play. I remind you that sarcasm/leveling is not permitted in LLSNL strat threads. Though I very much hope that you were being sarcastic, with the level of bad in this thread it was not clear, nor is it allowed.

In an earlier post you said: " the way he played he range is could be very wide here but the way the hand played out i will give the benifit of the doubt and say that i thought at the time he would have a hand close to the top of his range."

And in another you said: "He has been playing very wild and the way the game had been playing he could have had anything.
He has shown down many hands but in the big pots he isually showed premiums which is why i was thinking about shoving the flop as me calling him pre-flop might have scared/ slowed him down into checking to me on the flop.
"

So this leads me to believe he is making much larger bets with medium pairs to take it down pre and smaller bets with his premium holdings to get at least one caller. As you said, he usually showed premiums at showdown.

If AJs truly is at the top of his range, how can you fold preflop?
However, would he not make the same size bet with AK vs. one open/raise in the hopes of getting it HU? If he would bet that much with AK/AQ, that's 24 combos he could have.

If you can put V on a range of ~24% removing JJ+ & AK/AQ you have ~65% equity. If he would do this with AK also, then you still have ~62% equity. Add in AQ & you have ~61% equity. Add in JJ-AA & you still have ~59% equity.

This is, however, putting him on a range of 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s+, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo.

Is this really what he would bet with here?

You need to stove his range & see how much equity you really have. If I have 60%+ equity, I shove, if, I have the bankroll. The reason Johnny Chan went into the final table [2nd time he won bracelet in main event] with such a huge stack: When it was down to 2 tables, he got involved in 12 hands where one player was all-in preflop. One player had AK & the other an underpair. Johnny won all 12 coin-flips.

Fold pre.

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So you don't see that your comment is silly? First you said it's a stupid play with small PP's, then you said it's a stupid play with ATC. If it's ALWAYS a stupid play, there's no reason, and it doesn't make sense, and in fact it's not good poker, to point out that it's stupid with small PP's.

If people are calling you down with jack hi, you may want to re-consider what you think your table image is.

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vow017JSJqw

Are there any seats open in this game?

We've reached the part of the thread that is funny, but has no other purpose than that.

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