playing $2-$5 sitting with about $1,400

table full ring- 6 Korean restaurant owners who like to gamble, 2 local rocks and me (The only white guy and i have a rep for being a good but aggressive player)

the game is very limpy... IE everyone limps then someone will raise followed by half the table calling the weak raise pre flop.

Me and seat 10 have history and he has called me down before that same session twice, once with J10off for Jack high which was good vs my busted flush draw
And another with Ace high vs my busted straight draw which was good.

I have been playing with him for about 4 hours total and he was winning about $900 with a total stack of about $1000 (He bought in short stacked for $100)

Hand:

I had AdJd on the Button. (Seat 3) around $1,400

Pre Flop

Seat 5 ($80) weak player and just lost big pot Limps
Seat 6- FOLD
Seat 7 -FOLD
Seat 8- FOLD
Seat 9(Villian)- Raises - $200
Seat 1 -FOLD
Seat 2 sb- Fold
ME- call $200

1st question..... Should i be raising here?

FLOP - 6s 4s 2d

Main pot around $250 give or take.
Side pot between me and Villian $240

Betting on the side and the villain checks the flop to me.....

2nd Question- My gut is telling me to Ship it in here take the side pot and freeroll with Ace high? Is that the right move?

I decide to check back as this player is unpredictable and we aso have history.e

TURN- Ac (Ace clubs)

Villian checks the turn to me.

3rd question... what do i do here?

I decide to check back again

RIVER- another Ace

AA642

And he checks to me.........

Any thoughts and feedback so far? Will post up results after

Is this a real HH? Seems like a level, which is not allowed here. However, I'll answer as though it's real.

Fold pre unless you have a read that he makes ridiculously large raises with medium PP type hands, in which case you might re-raise. Never calling.

Flop: check back. Shoving to take a miniscule side pot with A-high when you are only getting called when you're beat? Why would you even consider it, especially when you have already been caught bluffing by this V twice? This question is the part that makes me suspicious that this hand is made up.

Turn is a bet for value. You are playing this hand backwards. You want to bet when you have nothing and are checking when you have his PPs beat. Really?

River is the most obvious value spot ever. He now can't have AA, so you're only losing to AK and a couple of very unlikely boats. You have a bluffy image, and a very under-repped hand. You should be able to get a call from his entire PP range.

Preflop is probably a fold OOP against a 40x raise. 3b here is likely lighting money on fire.

Your idea on the flop of shipping is respectable, but it's totally dependent on the info you have about V's range in a spot like this. Has he ever raised this much before? If so, did he showdown? To me, it looks like he has something like AQ-AK, 99-JJ that wanted to iso the shorty and not have to make decisions post flop. With your history against him and the fact that the side pot is big enough to leave you a freeroll, I doubt he is folding that range when you bet flop.

The turn is prob a check back as well. It's now less likely he has AQ+, but you also can't expect to get a lot of value from weaker hands.

If you think you can get some thin value from his 99-JJ on the river, then bet like $250 or something. Your image may get you paid off here since he prob thinks you're a spewtard. If you don't think he calls, then just check. It's very unlikely he takes a c/c/c line with anything that beats you after making such an absurd raise pre (though how absurd can it be if you're flatting with AJs?).

It should also be noted that your hand should look very strong after you call pre. I don't know if this guy pays attention or not, but you're supposed to have a monster in this spot.

I don't think cold calling a 40bb raise with AJs is a play a good aggressive player will make

For me it's a crying fold PF. It's a pretty hand, but also neutral or below in terms of EV against his range. He isn't likely to be messing around here. And it isn't the type of hand that gets a huge benefit from position.

I don't think anyone in their right mind is raising there, PF.

I think checking back the whole way is fine. Although if he did have a bigger ace, he would probably bet the river, but maybe not with AQ. So you might get paid if you put in another bet at the end, but not something I'd beat myself up over.

Obviously, if he did this with a lesser ace, you missed a huge amount of value, but from the table history, my gut is that's A9s+ only, maybe A8s. And you have to think about whether he actually calls you at the end with A9. So just move on.

I don't understand why some people are so quick to criticize things on here...... of course it is a real hand or what would the point be in posting it? And as i mentioned the way he played he range is could be very wide here but the way the hand played out i will give the benifit of the doubt and say that i thought at the time he would have a hand close to the top of his range.

Secondly of course there are other hands apart from AK and some unlickly boats.... AQ for exsample.




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He has been playing very wild and the way the game had been playing he could have had anything.
He has shown down many hands but in the big pots he isually showed premiums which is why i was thinking about shoving the flop as me calling him pre-flop might have scared/ slowed him down into checking to me on the flop.

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On the turn i thought exsactly the same as you and the fact that he has called me down with such weak hands before made me think that he was never checking to me twice with a hand better than mine. (Especially on the river)

And if i shoved i would get called by a PP 77's-kk's so i was going for maximun value?

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And also like you said i did look very strong by calling pre-flop which is why i am thinking i should have shoved the flop.......

Hmmm? :-)

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Calling pre is lighting money on fire. Raise or fold, imo.

As played not betting turn and river is criminal. Bet whatever you think someone will call, which at this point isn't much if anything.

Don't call pre. you can find a better spot vs this guy.
If you do make the mistake of calling and trying to be tricky. then shoving on the flop is a terrible idea. Take the free card everytime.

The turn after you know he is calling light you have to bet even if its just 100-150.
River just ship it.

I play a lot of 2/5 and I just wouldn't put myself in these spots. I think Garick nailed it.

Just curious why you think he would check a second time on the river with AQ in this spot?
And i honestly think he would defo call me with any Ace or pocket pair 77's or higher.
If this is what i am thinking should it be a value bet or a ship?
Because honestly if he calls a value bet he will also call an all in (thats what i think anyway due to our history)


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So anyway as the hand played out and the fact that
1. we have history.
2. He called me down twice in big pots with high card and won both times
3. It is a loose game.
4. He has been playing a wide range.

When he check the river what ahould i do? Shove, value bet or check back?

Baring in mind i am well rolled for this game and a regular in this room so in the last 6 months i have been going on reads and gut feelings that have been working out fine even though it is against the book.

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Value bet already

Then go all-in. I don't see why you'd ever check back. Get value from pocket pairs, there's only one A left and he probably would have bet it, etc. Seems very straight-forward.

Because sometimes he will be betting into AK, and other times, you will bet with AJ- It's just a question of what he thinks are the percentages.

The problem with value betting the river is he never flat calls. Well, almost never.

No idea what is going on in this hand. Seat 9 raises to $200 (40x) after a single limp?!?! You should either be shoving PF (if V's range here is extremely wide) or folding (if he's only doing this with premium hands). Calling off 1/5 of effective stacks here is terrible.

As played, flop is a clear check, nothing worse is calling and judging by history nothing better is folding, as villain will call with AK and AQ.

On the turn, if villain's range is likely to be weak and not contain Ax then he's basically drawing dead (as he would probably bet PPs on the flop), so I think check back is best, though with history I don't mind a small bet if you think V will float with weak hands. Otherwise I think a bet mostly folds out V's random KQ/KJ/etc. and gets called/raised when V checked a hand like AK/AQ.

River is a clear value bet. V's range seems extremely weak here (like I think the best hand he has is KQ), so I'd either make it very small (maybe $100) if you think that will induce a raise, or very large (shove) if you think that will look bluffy and V will look you up with hands like K-high. This spot is very dependent on your read on V.

The way he played it is perfectly consistent with 66 44 or 22.

So just to start off with, how many times has he opened raising 40BB in this session and because you've played here a lot, in other sessions? If he has done it regularly, what happened in those hands. If he hasn't, how do we know he has a "very wide" range?

Those hands like to see flops. Do the crazy guys who raise to $200 pf do it with hands like that, because I would think not.

Yes, AQ also wins. I misremembered OP and thought Hero had AQs

So much bad in this thread. I know it's a beginner forum, but really?

Not to pick on you in particular, but who the **** raises 40xBB with a small PP?

For that matter, who raises 40xBB with anything over one limper in 2/5? Even in a 1/1 game, that's absurd.

Calling 20xBB to play fit-or-fold is just really, really bad.

Being afraid to bet trips with a good kicker because "his range is really wide" is also very bad.

His range is not really wide, unless this is normal for this game, in which case you really need to tell us that in the OP. His range is like 80% TT-JJ 20% AA/KK/AK.

As you beat most of that range and have a bluffy image, not value betting is criminal.

I admit that I would be very suspicious if a player described as a wild, loose Asian checked three times. I'm not sure why people think this player is checking overpairs on the flop. If you think he would never check a hand that can beat ace-high, then betting the flop to knock out AK/AQ or various pair draws and get heads up is reasonable. Shipping it would be stupid.

I think there is one question that hasn't been asked. The flop has two spades. Hero has A in his hand. The A is on the board. What suit is the river ace? One would think that OP would mention it. I wouldn't be shocked if villain has Ax.

lol

Honestly the suits are irrelivent as there was no flush out there

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I agree with you ALL here after thinking more and more that i should have just folded pre-flop. I know my position and the size of his raise plays most parts but as i mentioned before this guy is NUTZ!
When ever i play in this club i do not play but the book.
And yes his average open with MO limpers is usually around the $100-$125 mark

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