Villain is a young Asian kid who has been at the table for about an hour or so and is raising seemingly EVERY hand to $16 preflop. He 3-bet the first hand he sat down to $80 and just seems to be on tilt and trying to get even.

Hero is on the BB and villain is UTG+2

Effective stacks: $280 ... Blinds $1/$2.

Villain raises to $16 and everyone folds around to hero who has 34o. I 3-bet to $45 and plan to barrel every street against villain unless I meet aggression.

Flop is actually pretty good for me ... Q65 rainbow.

I bet $60. He calls.

Turn is an 8. I bet $100. He calls.

River is a 3. I go all-in. He calls.

Obviously, had I hit my OESD I'd have felt a lot better about the hand, but when the 3 hit, I thought I was good until he called.

I'll reveal his hand after a few people comment.

I got to the point where you had 34os and my response is "awful"

He started with $80 and now has $280 and tiltish.

And to boot, you basically sucked out on him unless he's holding 7-9.

if he is, you been oversucked out. Oh well

I'm thinking that he has 2 pair or a set.

What do you think your table image was?

That will tell the tale of his call being scary or "thank you tiltmeister".

Horrible spot to 3-bet. This is a player that would be easy to stack when you get him in a dominating position (or let him bluff his stack away) but instead you choose to take this opportunity to put > 100 BBs at risk with extremely marginal holdings (you stated yourself that you would barrel every street).

Waiting for you to say he called with pocket 2s and you won the hand. Move to BBV because this is a horrible way to play a hand (actually, it seems that you are the one on tilt if you are playing like this. If you aren't on tilt I can't imagine how bad you play when tilted).

Why are we three betting OOP with 4 high? Why can't we select a slightly better hand like 5 high? Just fold and move on.

On the flop, why are we committing money against a non-folding maniac with what is literally the second or third worst possible hand? We are absolutely dead to 8 outs. I would check here until I hit something.

Same message on the turn.

Same message on the river.

This hand is just lighting money on fire.

Out-maniacing a maniac works when you have a hand, not when you have 43 offsuit.

Don't bluff villains on tilt! They don't fold! He already called a 3 bet pre. He's looking to gambool. Once he calls the flop, I don't know how you bet again. He's shown enough to call two barrels of you representing a big pair. He's not folding. Don't bet unless you hit.

I think you are going to get flamed for this line even if you win, mostly because you can get it in so much better.

My guess is V had pocket 2's.

I'd rather 3b for value than as a bluff vs. this villain and being OOP.

Your line only works against a weak-tight player, and even then I'd have something better than 34o unless I had a very good read that they can find a fold button.

My table image was extremely tight. That's why I pulled this move. I knew on every street he had nothing by the way he kept looking back at his cards. He literally looked at his cards 5 or 6 times every time I bet before calling.

Everyone at the table thought I had a big hand.

Way bad line. You can only beat a a really weak bluff catcher, and you have no fold equity with said villain. Wait to get a better spot and stack him the old fashioned way. Tilting gambolers raise too much and call way too often. Value town them instead of value clown yourself.

Why am I on tilt for taking an aggressive line against the table spewer? I swear everyone on this site is a bunch of nits. He should have folded the flop.

You obviously need to move up where they respect your raises.

Do stuff like this with value hands, like k7s or something.

Seriously you did something utterly ******ed versus the table spewer with one of the worst hands in HE.

I am a lag. I would never do that against a player on tilt. Tilting players call too much. I frequently pull that move against the weak passive old men that dominate 1/2, however, to much profit. Picking your opponent for this type of aggro aggression is key.

i agree that this was the mistake i made in the hand. i overestimated my FE against this kid.

my read was he was weak. i was right. i had 45 percent equity on the flop ... add in 5 percent FE and my flop bet should be +EV.

you know what they say... 'don't bluff the donkey.'

I just don't understand why you wouldn't wait for a better spot. If he's raising every hand PF, then for crying out loud, just wait for a hand that is +EV against a random range. You picked a hand that is beat by literally everything. Unless he's calling you with 2,3o or 2,4o, you're seeing a flop with a -EV hand.

Now, I suppose you figured that you could compensate by 'outplaying' the donkey. But if the guy is a freaking maniac/calling station/ no fold 'em hold 'em player, then he's going to pay you off. Hell, you could probably take this kid to value town with second pair on the right board.

The fact that you made a good read is irrelevant... if he isn't folding, you aren't winning. Save your bluff for someone else at the table; maybe try bluffing one of the people who thought you 'had it.'

Making money from a maniac is just so easy-- all you have to do is pick up a medium strength value hand and get the money in against his garbage. No reason to abort the easy TAG solution here for the fancy, wreckless, and irrational 34o 3-bet.

wrong guy to bluff. hes gonna call down way too light. i dont see him folding any pair right now ever. i dont understand you should look at this guy and be licking your lips but instead you just tried to bluff off all your chips oop with 4 high. wait for a better spot

I don't see this. Given stack sizes and read on the villain I think you can bet it all in on later streets when you are actually ahead and get called, while you can check/fold when you know you are behind.

Why do we want to commit it at 51/49 when we can put it in at 80/20 and not put it in when we're 20/80?

Also, you definitely aren't ahead on the turn even by your logic. What is the point of that bet?

After pre flop and flop action, why on earth do you possibly bomb the turn? And if you do, why aren't you all in? I can find zero reason to take your turn action.

Because I didn't flip my hand faceup and show him I had 3/4o; that's why I bet the turn. I would have played the hand the same way with TPTK or better, right? So that's the hand I'm representing. It's easy to say it's a bad bet when you have the advantage of knowing what my hand is. Villain doesn't. Villain has no clue how light I 3-bet him.

And I never, ever have said I was ahead with 34o. I said my equity in the hand vs. what he had (which was about where I thought I was in the hand) was 45 percent on the flop.

so you are representing a big hand and he is still calling you? this means either he has the big hand your representing beat, or hes calling you down light, meaning he cannot be bluffed. your logic here is killling your hand even more. and if you think you had that much equity otf you think hes floating you with ace/king high? i mean its possible but why do you want to get into that sort of situation against this guy oop?

Sit villain down and explain to him why he should buy the story you are selling.
Random spewtard on tilt is new to the table. So lets play on my tight image which he is unaware of and/or could care less about and pick a garbage hand to empty the clips and three barrell into him with. Good plan jack. Clearly he "should" fold right? After all you are representing strength, right? You spazzed out and adjusted horribly to this player just own it and move on.

So you hit your three thought you were good then shoved why? Please explain this too me. You thought you were good so you shoved your bottom pair as a value bet? Hoping to get looked up by ak. But then wait, when he calls you don't like it. I don't follow.

because I don't think he can actually call the river with A high.

FWIW, he did. He had A7o.

If you don't think he can call with ace high then why are you betting for?

Op has over 2000 posts. Cant be true.

if i check, can i really call? so i bet instead and put him to the decision.

All right, I concede: I suck and got lucky. If that makes everyone who wants to play ABC TAG/Nit poker happy, I'll admit it.

But I ask you this: Do you think villain played his hand better than I did?

Sick spew.

Why?

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You also seem to be mistaken about something:

You have 45% equity against his hand. Not against his range.


This isn't a question of who played their hand better.
If anything you played worse because he played exactly how you knew he played.