Im hosting a 50c/$1

the game plays pretty passive as anytime there is a raiser everyone will come along with 'pot odds' however there are 2-3 players that will often squeeze capably to pick up the dead money.

Most people are recreational.

Hand has been double straddles to $4

Im in the BB with A5

4 people call and i complete s. 5 to the flop

($20) QT4 flop checks through

Turn QT4 8

with 3 players to act behind me after the SB checked i just check here. board is still too connected and being OOP im not overly comfortable betting into 4 players. Everyone happy with me just Checking this?

Villain 1(doesnt play often very recreational just there to have a go. doesnt get out of line but is a little passive) acts after me and bets 14. Villain 2 is last to act and calls. He is the most capable player at the table and generally pretty laggy. is probably stuck 2.5 buy ins currently. This should not phase him though

I call with 1 over card and a FD. 14 into 48

River (62) QT4 8 A

3 players on the river. I'm first to act.

Whats my line here? i have about $90 remaining in my stack.

Villain 1 has about 70 behind. Villain 2 has about 250-300

If i had a bigger stack, and was HU vs V2 i think i could quite confidentally bet/fold this river.

Vs 2 villains and with a shorter stack im not sure what my best line is.

If i bet 35-40 into 62 the pot is 100 and im sitting with 50 behind. Am I committed to calling any shove from either villain if they come over the top here given i dont have too much more behind?

So should i Bet/Call, Bet/Fold or Check/Call

Check/folding this river vs anyone with a pulse. Unless my opponents are total passive droolers, or completely insane/drunk maniacs, I don't see the point of betting. No flop bet from anyone to me means that it's unlikely that anyone has Qx one-pair hands by this river (which would be the only real candidate for you to be extracting value from).

I do expect the river to get checked through a reasonably high percentage of the time (pulling numbers out of the air, say like 20-30%? in which case we're likely good).

EDIT: Check/calling is not quite lighting money on fire, but it's kind of like pouring gasoline on your money and hoping your opponents don't have a lighter.

im check/evaluating based on betsizing and maybe a physical tell.

Most likely check/folding though

I don't think I could just check fold.

It looks a lot like V1 has a Q and is checking flop to get a bet in by V2 or checks flop with a 10 and feels safe about the 8 on turn and leads out. Combining ranges I expect them to show up with a lot of pair+gutshot combinations.

I think I lead for $20, expecting to get called by worse often enough and am folding to any raise.

would any one bet fold this deeper?

Agreed. I don't think anything you beat is calling you. If you check, from the vil descriptions, I don't think vil1 bets any significant amount with a hand that you can beat, rec players are scared of aces unless they are holding one (or 2pair+). Vil2 could bet some kind of missed draw, but doubtful. Ranges are super wide here.

Bet for thin value imo. Around 30. V1 most likely has some random Q which he can and probably will call you with. You say he's passive so won't raise with worse (Even with great odds you probs gotta foold). Since V1 is short stacked V2 would have to be very honest if he raises river (he cannot expect v1 to fold for so little more after your bet), and you can safely fold.

It's either b/f for value or c/f. C/c is bad as neither V is betting river with worse.

Interesting that there are different views.

At the conclusion of the hand I was sure I should have value bet (being results oriented) given villain 1 showed KQ and v2 mucked. My uncertainty came from stack sizes.

What hands could villains be betting river with that have me beat though?

2pair+, maybe AJ/AK

You don't always have to bet standard 2/3 pot. Nothing wrong with bet/folding $20 if you think your opponents have marginal holdings and you have the best hand - you want your opponents to call with any Q, and you're giving them good odds.

FWIW I think this is always a b/f though.