2/5
Table dynamics: Is the loosest most passive game in history of poker. PFR of 3x and 4x getting called 5-6 ways on avg. Lots of family pots.

Hero image: Really doesn't matter. Villain is level 1 thinker at best. But for guys who crave info. Hero is winning currently after being stuck 3 buy ins. Been very swing session. Started play off very lag but quickly shifted to a very tight Tag, due to everyone stacking off with top pair. And massive pre flop pots

Villain: Drunk, vpip north of 90 (unbelievable, but true...Calling 3 bets cold with j-5 off)..likes to lead at pots with any piece, if someone leads into him he is a very passive calling station...Guy is on major heater.

Have played 2 hands of note with him.

V limps Utg, MP raises to $20 (opens very light) 3 callers to me in SB. I call K-Jo, Vilain calls.
Flop K-J-5

I Check, V leads $40, folds to me I raise to $150, V ships 1.2k...I call 550 effective. He wins with J-5o.

Hand 2
Limp pot 6 ways: Hero has As3s.

Flop $30
K-7-3
Checks around
Turn 10
Checks around
River: 3 no flush

V bets 15$
Folds to hero
Hero raise to $200
V calls MHIG. (Believe he flashed 66)

Hand in question:

Limp pot 7 ways: 1.4K effective
Hero on button with Js-5s
Flop $35
2s-2x-8s
V leads $15, 2 callers, I call

Turn $95: 9x
V leads $40, 2 folds
Hero calls

River $175: Ks
V leads $175. (Been caught 3 barrel bluffing alot)

Hero?

-Easy call, but can I go for value here. Knowing he hates folding any equity

Hero raises to $400? Sizing?

I would've folded pre. But back to the hand.

With the made flush and given the villian's ridiculous range and his so far ridiculous tendency to just call you down as well as you saying he 3 barrel bluffs much, 400-500$ raise sounds fine.

But is the villian the kind of guy to bet pot on the river(even with three barreling) on a front door flush? If he isn't, I honestly would just call. If you are very confident it is a three barrel bluff, easy raise. Sounds like a fun variant fish to play with.

I would bet my suburban. That V didn't even know size of pot.

I am flatting flop here on button. 300 bb deep. Because there where 2 V that would stack off with Top pair if I hit gin.

Otherwise yes very easy fold in any random game.
Flatted my button alot in this game. Which took alot of self control. (aggro at heart)

I understand I am gonna get alot of "fold pre".

V may have a bet-sizing tell given hand history. He seems to bet small when he has some kind of piece. (Hand 2.) He seems to bet larger when he really hits it. (Hand 1.) Lots of V's do this.

I think he would have been betting bigger earlier in the hand with 2-x. The $175 bet is huge. I think he really likes his hand and probably the Kh, too. You are very likely to be up against a bigger flush. I can't imagine what else he has.

I simply would call here, but missing thin value against V's who will give it is a weak part of my game. Not a lot of thin value V's like this in the tight games I play anyway.

I did pick up on sizing tells. But not till after this hand. So I didn't include them. Thanks

No point in semi-bluffing this villain...

That should of said I am flatting pre

i think just a call is in order here vs that small small big sizing when flush comes in.

fold might even be better, but im not that good

Grunch:

If we decide that a raise is in order here, our sizing is terrible.

We've seen V call a $160 raise on a paired board with 4th pair...
So the only thing that we need to decide is, does V have a sizing tell? Does he bet stronger with made hands? And even if he does, does he think that A2s here is a strong hand? Does he think that the T high/9high/7high flush here is a strong hand?

If he does, then we need to raise, and raise BIG.
If we don't, then we can think about just calling, but I think vs this villain, that is a huge mistake.
To be honest, once we decide to raise, and I think raising is right play, I don't hate thinking about shipping it in here. $600 can also be good. But we just need to decide what he does here with worse flushes, what's the most that he calls? And be that much.

So, either call, $600, or shove are the only options here imo.

Intersting spot. Thanks for posting.

IMO...the call pre is border line. I play these every now and again under very specific table dynamic scenarios - which is what it seems like you did here so I think your judgment of this is best.

On river...yeah its one fo two things:

1. Call which is a no-brainer +EV scenario
2. Make that thin value bet that separates the winning players from the really winning players.

This is a tough one too because there are a few things out there that can get disgusting. Stacks are deep. I really like a thin value bet here against a good opponent and perhaps a bet-fold if he is thinking player...but the problem here is that if Villain has fallen in love with a 3 and pushes or soemthing, it puts you in a very tough spot. And he may even bluff you with anything if he is that wild.

I think your hand is good but obvi not always. There is also a percentage chance you can get bluffed off the hand (even accidentally - e.g. if he is not bluffing but thinks his trips are good). This comes down to a read really on your part. You did mention he is a calling station if bet into. So this justifies a bet. But if you had more info on any reads off what this bet means it would help the casue a bit. Without any info on this bet, and the stacks being deep I would probably just call here. But if you think there is a good chance he will not re-bluff you (even accidentally) or have a better hand (based on reads/ tells/ etc) bet.

Glad you brought up sizing. Dead honest. Took me long enough to decide to value bet. That I rushed the thought process on sizing. I don't love my sizing here but I don't hate it. Want other opinions on sizing.

Great reply,

My brain was twisting around with thoughts just like your post. You touched on most my thought process.

In end, I decided he was to passive to raise with worse. Just smart enough to know what the nut hands where. And not capable of folding 2 pair, trips, small flushes.

So my decision was to raise/puke fold.

I am never folding here vs this V. I honestly would have snap called with a K.

I am folding Pre 95% time
Folding flop vs anyone with brain.

grunch

pre is standard imo

i wanna raise river...his sizing scares me though, the dude potted it right? I think it can go both ways, but when I'm not sure I tend to choose the lower variance play fwiw. If he bet under 150 it's an easy raise but when he pots it idk

Noone else on sizing river raise here?

Assuming you decide to raise river.

Raise/fold $500.

Results

Vilain tank calls...MHIG

Vs this guy....whos obv shipping anything....

I raise if im in the mood for variance bc hell prob ship wtvr hes calling a raise with...and to 400 sounds good

How in the world do we raise fold??!?

Vs said drooler whos shipping anything north of 222 and obv any flush.

If were going to fold....bc hes going to ship anything that he should prob just flat with....we shouldnt be raising

Only difference if you raise more:

He tanks longer and still calls.

Ya, think $550 gets called just as much.

Never said he was aggro/tard. He never made big raises. So if I was raised I would have folded.

way more of standard spew tard/calling station

If he bets/reraises. J high flush is never good

What are stack sizes and buy in rules. I would not risk raising and having a stack that is smaller than v. Pass up thin value and wait for better spot if you will not cover him if plans go awry.

If you can match larger stack, go ahead and go for thin value.

He shipped 1.2k into a 175$ bet....nuff said