1-2 in Atlantic City...

V1...50 years old, retired NYC cop... cigar in mouth, Brooklyn Accent...very talkative... bit loose... has about $65 stack.

V2...Albanian guy, about 40...Loose passive guy. Does some fishy stulf, I had value bet 2nd pair on the flop and turn q high two tone board, checked the river and he bet 1/4 pot with bottom pair, no missed draw...don't even know if he thought he was bluffing or betting for value...But I have also seen him lay down top pair to a big river bet... He has a little over 200...

I'm seen a tight...have every one covered...


I have 36 in BB

4 limpers I check my option

5 way pot $10....

245

I bet out $10, v1 raises to $20, v2 makes it $30....

Well I can shove...and probably get two calls. Can't be a bad plan with the nuts....but is there a bettor plan...

I can call...v1 would probably shove...he has aynthing from a straight set, flush draw to an over pair....he's never going any where...

V2...probably has a set...I don't think he puts in the 3rd raise with a flush draw or an over pair...


If I raise to 75 or so,.... V1 calls...V2 calls or shoves...if just calls... I can get away from the hand if the board pairs the turn and V2 iis never folding if the board does not pair


So is just raising to 75 bettor then shoving???

The old adage, "never go broke in a limped pot" comes to mind. Granted, you arent going broke here, but, V1 is pot committed. I like 75. Gives you options.

"never go broke in a limpted pot" I don't think applies here. We have the NUTS.

I honestly think i just shove here. If we make it 75, and a spade rolls off OTT, what are we going to do?

raisey daisey to $80 shove all turns... If a spade rolls off then we can evaluate shoving this if both call on the flop.

You never go broke in a limped pot haha. If you have the nuts, you're on the other side of that rule. If you go all in right now, you probably get two calls. What happens if you raise to $75 and have a $235 pot with $125 back and the turn is a spade or pair? Might as well stick it in now.

In response to the calls for a smaller reraise: I don't think these players can fold 2p/set hands for any amount. THe short stack we're not really worried about and the Albanian's 3 bet range is A3, 36, 24,25,45,55,44,22. I can't see him folding any of those to a shove.

If a spade roles off I'm shoving....I'm not worried about the flush, it just unlikely that the player has the flush draw...do I really want to shove pre flop if I think he has a flush draw...he's bet $30 and now he has to call 175 ish...I think even bad players fold flush draws here.

IF the board pairs...my plan was to check it down, or fold...does A3 really bluff me off my hand now???

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I'm not scared that these hands can fold to a shove. I'm just trying to maximize my EV. Most of these hands can't fold the turn to any card once they call $75(if I'm wrong then my argument goes down). So don't I make more money, by getting it in on the turn rather then getting it in on the flop. A3 is about the only hand I loose money too if the board pairs because we both check it down.

I'm done reading other post. First yes you shove here, with the 2 Villians betting like that you just shove here. Second with the stacks here you should be able to get it in now while ahead, if you don't and the turn produces a spade, you have to start considering your behind or racing against a flush

Any A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or spade on the turn call kill your action.

Don't get cute, reraise and get the money in

I'd pump it up to 80 and shove any brick that hits the turn.

I definitely shove here, the others are short stacked, and are showing strength, plus shoving makes your hand look like a flush draw to them

Given your reads I would raise, big.
My question to you though, if the board pairs are you really folding? because your read on V2 is a set? Or if a spade rolls off what now?
If possible I would much rather get my money in on the flop or just finish the battle with V1.

I'm just wondering given your reads how many turn cards there are we aren't going to like.


There is only 1 short stack and we shouldn't even worry about him, he's not going anywhere according to hero and we have the nuts.